Oh sure, the entire world will just collectively shrug and act like none if this really happened.
The conservatives of this country don’t realize how fucking cooked it is. No one will ever believe us or trust us again, period. If they do it’ll be after decades of groveling and begging to get them to accept us as a legitimate country you can rely on.
No. We are permanently and irritrievably fucked.
When Trump leaves office, the 40% of Americans who voted for him will still be there.
Gotta stop with the 40% nonsense. It’s misleading. Americans are BAD AT VOTING. 40% of voters in 2024 support Trump. Not 40% of Americans. If I take wikipedias lower end estimate of 342mil people, and divide Trumps number of votes by that, I get 22.6%.
Still super shitty, but not 40.
wikipedias lower end estimate of 342mil people
Plus only about 270 mil adults (over 18)
Totally, which puts us at 28%.
Every single country on the planet has the same shitty people that vote shitty. There are lots of really stupid people. At the end of the day, people can be seriously disappointing. This is the same all over the planet. American voters aren’t any worse than the voters of any other country. So then, if 40% of the voters in any country would be willing to put someone like Trump into power over a more sane candidate, what does that mean?
Well, first off, it means no place is truly safe from the most batshit crazy people getting into power. Italy has Giorgia Meloni, France almost had Marine Le Pen, the AfD is getting a lot of support in Germany, etc.
But it also means that the system itself has problems. That’s what ultimately allowed Trump to get into power. We have a government by the billionaires, for the billionaires. The wealth of billionaires in itself has grown out of control. It is impossible to successfully run for a major office without being insanely wealthy. Bribery is a central part of US politics. Corporations can make unlimited donations to political candidates. All of the safeguards against crazy have been dismantled. Party leadership silences anyone that tries to make a positive change. The media is filled with propaganda. AI has figured out how to manipulate people on a personal level. The list keeps going on. People will vote for the worst candidates all over the world. But in the US, at this point, the system is broken in a way that has enabled the worst candidate to not only be moderately bad, but some of the worst people on the planet.
Edit: I shouldn’t say 40% of the country - when the system fails to the extent it has in the US, it makes it difficult for people to vote. The number of Trump supporters is nowhere near 40% of the country. But there’s enough people anywhere for it to happen under the right circumstances.
well… the ice facilities will no longer be used…
Are you kidding? Obama commissioned some of the ones that already existed for Trump to use.
Biden built Trump’s wall, and changed nothing about how ICE was used from Trump’s first term.
And back to Clinton, both parties agree on Neoliberal Magical-Thinking as economic policy.
Politicians are not your friends.
Some of those will happen, def not all
This is all assuming we actually manage to get him out of office
and that he doesn’t get replaced by another like-minded individual
If he really wanted his ballroom and dungeon or whatever is below it done now, he could probably just put more contractors on it.
Sleepers will remain in congress
DOJ and SCOTUS will remain as they are.
Our allies will be thankful, but they will not trust us.
We will remain allied with Israel; we may or may not exit Venezuela.
I admire their optimism.
I… still kind of can’t believe that all the turbolibs… seem to just think they’re going to win the midterms, and begin fixing things.
No.
No.
Read a goddamned history book.
The fascists will halt or fake or rig the elections, and then they’ll just kill you, or throw you into jail…
Like uh, they already said as much, basically, when Kirk got got.
Here’s Trump from the weekend:
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/116272810363139207
I’m not trusting America or Americans for the rest of my life, sorry guys. Y’all elected a racist fascist pedophile twice and let him get away with some heinous shit. Maybe if you prosecute each and every one of his cronies and chuck them in prison where they belong, the world will give you a chance. Unfortunately you’ve chosen isolation.
Dem leadership: We can give you a return to the conditions that paved the way for Trump to be taken seriously as a politician in the first place, final offer.
When Trump leaves office the USA will keep on acting like an evil empire.
Ah yes the Biden strategy. Just carry on like none of that shit just happened
These all sound nice on the surface but the actual odds of any of this happening feels extremely low. Establishment dems hate their voters more than they hate Trump and that is the issue.
Absolutely.
Hardly. The damage done is not so easily fixed. The US has proved it can’t be trusted.
Yeah Trump this the symptom, not our sickness
Trump is the symptom, capitalism is the disease, socialism is the cure.
Ya you’d have to be pretty dumb or gullible to think the USA will have a competent government again.
This viewpoint is flawed and dangerously naive.
The damage is not as superficial as a name or a building. The USA allowed this to happen. The checks and balances that were supposed to be built into the system have failed. The United States of America, it’s government, and it’s whole social structure is no longer reliable. It does not end with the removal from power or even the death of Trump.
In 2016 the world got to know Donald Trump. In 2024 the world got to know the American people.
In 2024 the first world got to know the American people.
FTFY. Places that had to live with the consequences of US bombs and CIA regime change already knew what the American people were like.
The thing that the whole word has learned is that there’s NO limit to what the American people will shrug off and do nothing about, whether they like it or not. None whatsoever.
You’re right that others have previously found themselves on the wrong side of that, apparently nonexistent, limit, and already learned that their lives didn’t matter a bit to any Americans. But the attack on Venezuela and economic war against Cuba – formally unsanctiones acts of wanton destruction, carried out for the lulz in the name of all Americans – were very much not believed to be in the cards, even by those countries.
Earlier this year, Denmark – fucking DENMARK – a vassal state of ~5 million people – prepared for a fight with the US to the point of sending blood bags to Greenland. But the very idea of that doesn’t even give Americans pause, Trump voters or not.
At least people in Nazi Germany feigned ignorance, Americans straight up don’t give a fuck.
Greenland might be an anomaly to US but Venezuela, Cuba, Iran is par for the course for US. A war monger will war monger no matter the leadership not the consequences. Europe will still be the vassal at least the leadership, the populace will forget it the moment the new iphone launches.
the first worldPlaces that had to live with the consequences of US bombs and CIA regime changeAside from one or two exceptions there is no overlap between these two groupsEdit: nvm, i did read ftfy but not the comment you responded to and believed you quoted the original comment.
Flawed? It’s schizophrenic and a sign that there is no hope to be found in the US people.
the checks and balances are working pretty well but there’s obviously not enough wrt the president
the DOJ, CDC and other departments going back to normal will do an enormous amount for the country
that and a nuremburg trials for trump and all of the others. laws will have to be changed and be applied retroactively
You’re fucking dreaming, bud.
The checks and balances have failed. He owns the supreme court. They’ve already handed him victories against hard fought progress that America worked for decades to get.
The religious nut cases are in charge. They’ve already own the media and they’re taking the internet. They are coming to take away your computer and make you pay to talk to their AI machine. You don’t own anything anymore, it’s all rented, it’s all locked down from being repaired. They want to jail nonconformists. They’re a demonizing food safety and vaccine practices, and motherfuckers are buying it.
The climate is changing and they know it and they refuse to stop doing the things they are doing in order to try and stop it. Instead, they stock up on oil and bombs so they can invade territory they know will be available to try and grow food. And notherfuckers are cheering it on.
Why’s the US want Canada? why’s the US want Greenland? Because in 50 years, in 30 years…in 20 years? It’ll be the fucking bread basket. And motherfuckers don’t even realize why they the cheering it on.
Why’s the US want Venezuela? Why’s the US want Iran? Because we need oil all our machines run on oil and we can’t power our wars and our oppression without them. And motherfuckers love their “Hemi’s” and they’re cheering it on.
Why’s the US pushing so hard for AI? Why’s the US pushing so hard for online ID verification? They want to track us all. Make us confirm like good little brainwashed Godly worker bees. Find and root out the “rot” of dissent, and motherfuckers are cheering them on.
This doesn’t go all away with Gavin Newsom.
Nope lol. Disolve the USA. They lost their right to being a country.
The most important check is that congress and SCOTUS wields their power against the president. They are not supposed to be sharing power right now and encouraging each other to break the constitution.
There’s obviously not enough WRT the Supreme Court or Congress, either.
Whoops, that’s all three branches.
You can tell its lib nonsense when they mention the kennedy center. Noone gives a shit about that but limosine liberals. Its the biggest tell. Be wary of Occupy Democrats.
It is symbolic of Trump’s disregard for law. The name of the center is in a law, and changing it without passing a law is illegal.
No, it isn’t important, but following laws is, at least laws that are not unjust.
In what fantasy Land do you live?
My point exactly, see post title.
Anything that Trump has done via executive order can be undone just as easily, but the weakening of U.S. soft power is likely permanent. Nobody can trust the United States to act as a consistent and reliable cohort in any capacity, because we have proven to be unreliable and our foreign policy has been wildly inconsistent, shifting with the whims of the ignorant American electorate every 4-8 years.
I also don’t think it’s going to be that easy to purge the MAGA corruption from government agencies. They will put their masks back on and pretend to be good little worker bees, but everything that they do will be in service to Trump, not to the nation or the constitution. It will take ten times longer to root them out and oust them than it did for Trump and his cronies to install them.
If we have an unbroken string of left wing progressive presidents for the next 30 years, we might recover. If even one Republican snake manages to slither into office, the work will be undone in the span of a single term.
You’re wrong, though. Executive orders can be undone, but it’s what happened after the order was issued that cannot. People quit. People died. People got tortured. Institutions collapsed. You can’t undo that by reversing the order.
Roughly 1/3 of America voted against what we have now. That means 2/3 are still wanting (or at least complicit) with what we have now as well.
