Send the MAGATs and ICE
Man’s never seen a
topographicalmap of Iran and thinks that putting boots on the ground will work in those mountains.We’re going to se a whole lot more flag draped coffins stacked in amazon vans.
But they did so well in Vietnam’s jungles … /s
I’ve already seen the pictures posted by soldiers of the great meals they suddenly, recently received
The Steak and Lobster dinner was a surefire sign.
I’d have hated to be one of the people fixing the Gerald Ford carrier’s toilets pupling tshirts out of that mess.
Die for pedophiles boys
Call me an old geezer, but I liked peace better when it didn’t mean starting wars out of the blue and sending your troops to die in meaningless skirmishes.
The US has been at war for over 200 years of its existence.
Dying for Epstein to own the libs.
You know what would really slap? Iran setting up military bases in Mexico, Canada, Venezuela and Argentina
I mean drive through my neighbourhood (Newmarket, Ontario) it’s pretty much little Iran as it is.
Much love to my Iranians my kids are friends with their kids. I love my Iranian peeps.
qatar has one in the US.
Why don’t presidents fight the war?
Why do they always send the poor?
The late Iranian president did fight in the war, in a way. 😅
This is absolutely f*%#ing insane…
Kharg island is tiny. Really tiny. Any troops trying to hold it are going to get hit with drones, missiles and artillery constantly.
thats why trump was asking for help, hes only going lead his “suckers and loser” whom he called, marines to slaughter
That sounds like an awful situation where a bunnch of young lives would be sacrificed in an ongoing series of attacks so that the evening news could be saturated with graphic tragic shit leading up to Trump being “forced” to do whatever they have planned next.
So I assume that’s literally evil plan A, and reality will turn out worse.
“A Flock of Seagulls” saw this coming a long time ago.
I couldn’t get away.
So which is it, are we going to stop the war, or are we about to go all in with a ground force invasion? There are articles on lemmy that say completely opposing things.
The leadership of the country waging the war are saying completely opposing things, to be fair.
The war is over, it’s not a war, no troops, but we’re moving troops. We don’t need allies, send allies, allies are cowards, all sorts of things.
Sounds like 1984. “We’re at war with Eurasia. We’ve always been at peace with Eurasia”
A good analogy of the situation is the lyrics to Katy Perry’s Hot and Cold
At most they’re going to grab any islands and a foothold on the Straits. Occupying Mainland Iran is a Herculean task that would take millions of troops to do properly and they do not have the support for that and even then with the mountains it would be constant guerrilla warfare. Like Afghanistan. As soon as we left, the absolute minute we leave it would revert to them.
I think the military is preparing for every eventuality. No one can predict what the administration will do next, except that, long-term, it won’t be to our benefit, just theirs.
Can we in the rest of the world not get involved in yet another ground war in the Middle East?
Well where CAN we start a ground war then? Sheesh.
/s
I suppose you could not start wars for a change, Don. They dry out your skin.
Yes, as far as I can tell, no sane “ally” of the US has agreed to help.
Must be nice living in a country where the people learn from the last idiotic forever war that the US started in the middle east.
Unfortunately there are signals that allies are starting to acquiesce. Keir Starmer is sending the Navy to help ships navigate the strait, while Iran is bombing our bases so it’s a guarantee that our ships will be attacked, drawing us into another forever war for the United Pedos of America. The rest of the government are telling him it’s going to bankrupt us, but he’s too fucking stupid to see that, that’s the whole point of this war. To pull in NATO to put pressure on their economies, leading to a reduction of support for Ukraine. All because America elected a black man a decade ago.
Unfortunately the british government has allowed bombers to fuel, arm and launch from air bases in the UK (and have been actively supporting a certain occupation/genocidal state for the past 80)
They almost have to though, like the British mortgaged to their empire to the US and need to keep their special relationship.
Genuinely what benefit is there in supporting a genocide?
At this point the UK is painting a target on their backs by funding the occupation qnd ethnic cleansing of Palestine, as well as arming America’s bombers for attacks on Iran.
No argument here, the government of the UK needs to be burned to the ground, and Starmer is a pos that is worse than the american president in many ways, as he appears reasonable to the sheep yet is actively fascisting the country.
It will be more like Afghanistan. Iran is mostly mountainous and guerilla warfare will be the default. The US relies too much on technology which will not that useful in that environment. Don’t forget that the Iran army has been training for years for this type of conflict. Afghanistan was a disaster for American troops but will be nothing compared to Iran.
I dont feel bad for any american troop who dies. They willingly joined this military knowing all it does is attack other countries. I feel bad for the iranians who will die.
Ah yes selectively valuing some lives differently than other lives, that’s what a good and moral person does
Civilians lives are alwaya valuables, soldiers in a war where they are on the aggressed are always valuable, soldiers who is part of of the nation who is the agressor was never valuable.
Why? They chose to sign up to go kill people in another country. They are adults right?
No. They signed up under the premise they’d be protecting America, not slaughtering people to distract from the Epstein files.
The premise is broken. It is very obvious that it is not to protect the usa
Haha ok. Been on this planet for some years and I never felt an American solder was “protecting” America. Give me a break, we are a war mongering nation and you’re just an idiot if you’re not aware of that when the recruiters come around.
You know, there’s a term used for Russian soldiers in Ukraine that’s apt, Orcs. The american soldiers just might be Orcs as well this time if they do this.
They aren’t going to go full invasion, they will take islands, maybe a foothold on the straits.
Like they used to say at the start of the war that there will be not a single soldier on the ground in Iran territory
Wouldn’t that make them sitting ducks?
Sure the suckers stationed there will be sitting ducks, they will have to dig in, park a patriot battery and missile defense there, and then sit back and let the deciders collect kickbacks for the billions in missile defense they use. And batter back.
If you clear out everyone within 30km and set up a minefield, plentiful aa, and build anti fpv stuff it could be held
In term of soldiern death I expect it to be vietnam
It’s going to be worse.
In Vietnam, the us had South Vietnamese troops to use as a distraction. We’re not going to have that in Iran, cause it looks like the cia can’t start a revolution for once.
And Israel will kill American soldiers with American munitions trying to “help” and the US will do nothing about it except more of the same.
That the AI fault.
Yeah sure the USS Liberty was attacked because of bad AI.
Always. School attacked IA, bad weather AI, lost my keys AI again. They are everywhere.
If we had not already betrayed the Kurds multiple times, I say we I mean them, I am constitutionally opposed to them, but they could use the kurds to break off in a separate republic, that would create a shit storm with turkey but fuck turkey seriously.
You promise me that?
I’m sure we’ll find some Kurds that will trust us again.
Yeah, but see, the US learned their lesson during the Iraq and other conflicts, so it will be quite different this go-round!
That’s cool, where are the Epstein files, you vile fucker?
Gotta try to stop the sale of oil in Yuan somehow, the orange turd stepped in the biggest pile of shit ever, but he just can’t get it off his shoe no matter what.
Boots on ground will run into artillery and drones.
It’s like they learned nothing from watching Russia and Ukraine.
Iran also has a lot experience with drone warfare since they’re supplying Russia with drones and have people operating and learning in an active war. Meanwhile the US hasn’t really fought against drones in a real war and they refused help from Ukraine one of the countries at the forefront of drone warfare.
I wonder how long will Trump stay in office when the internet starts getting videos of American soldiers getting killed by drones just like the ones with Russian soldiers we have right now.
Trump has raped children, is a convicted felon, and demolished part of the White House. He’s threatened reporters with execution, demanded personal enrichment as part of foreign trade, incited a terrorist attack on the Capitol building, and then pardoned the terrorists convicted of their crimes. He has openly solicited bribes and disclosed classified data to our enemies that resulted in the deaths of American agents abroad.
His supporters will not move an inch regardless of how many soldiers they see dying.
I can’t tell you how much I appreciate the plain and stark language. I’m so tired of the sane washing, I’m so tired of skirting the issue. We need to accept and then figure out how to deal with the facts.
It’s not his supporters I’m worried about, it’s the apathy and impatience of the average american voter that does.
Yeah, GOP voters have always been a lost cause. The real question is what impression do the idiot swing voters have of him these days.
I’ve been around for over 4 decades and the only thing I’ve ever seen conservatives give a fuck about were gas prices, unborn babies (specifically), and people with not white skin becoming president.
Note: Specifically unborn babies because they don’t give a flying fuck about kids after they’re born. That’s why they voted for a party that is currently obliterating child cancer research and are against free school lunches.
That’s because Conservativism isn’t really am ideology. It’s psychological cover for being selfish. Conservatives define their core values based on whatever is good for the people within the Conservative group. They believe that they are the good people, the special people, and that they are entitled to whatever they want. Anyone that stands in their way is evil. Any facts that challenge their world view are lies. Any crimes they commit in service to their goals are justified.
Conservatives don’t care about gas prices or unborn babies or racism unless those issues help them get elected. Conservatives get abortions when they want them. They will even blame other people getting abortions “for no reason” as the reason why they can’t get their own “totally justified and moral” abortion.
They start wars, make trade agreements, and deregulate inustries that raise gas prices, because someone is getting rich from the high gas prices. When Conservatives are in charge and prices go up, they will tell you it is your patriotic duty to fuel up you SUV and drive around.
Even the racism is entirely user dependent. Black conservatives, Latino conservatives, Asian conservatives, Jewish conservatives, Islamic conservatives, Russian conservatives, they all hate someone and they all pretend to be the most persecuted people. It doesn’t matter if they all hate the same people, as long as they hate somebody.
This is not politics. It’s pathological narcissism.
This all has a simple cause at the root: conservative worldview assumes that life is a zero-sum game, and for one person or group to prosper, others must lose.
It’s not even that complicated. A comservative doesn’t care if anyone else loses, as long as they feel like they win.
Perhaps, but to expend effort on getting someone to lose and themselves to win, they must believe that the balance works that way. If they believed that cooperation is a win-win situation and absence of cooperation is lose-lose, they would act differently.
Conservative worldview stems from the belief that the resources are always limited, so if someone else is getting them then the conservative in question doesn’t. If you extrapolate this presupposition, you can derive pretty much every single position that conservatives hold on any issue.
Although it’s funny that fiscal individualism, aiming to keep one’s money to themselves, ends up benefitting corporations and rich bastards hoarding the wealth.
It’s because the real motivation isn’t the kids, it’s punishing women. Babies are just the marketing.
They also really hate us LGBTQ people
They don’t hate you they think you’re literally an abomination. Especially the religious ones
I don’t think those two things are mutually exclusive. I mean… I’m not a religious person, so perhaps there’s some nuance to it that I don’t get, but, yeah… there is at least some overlap
Hey, they care a lot about children after they’re born, just not the way a normal person cares about them …
Guns and hating any sort of liberal thought.
I genuinely disagree only because, for so many of his supporters, it is their children. I don’t think it will change them as people or their politics as a whole but it will effect Republican chances in the next election. If we have legitimate elections at all. I’m almost certain there will be armed feds at polling stations to “protect them” and fearmongering about Iranian hackers tampering with the results.
there will be armed feds at polling stations to “protect them”
Y’know, if this happens, assuming the machines aren’t rigged, screw it…We should all be showing up in our gawdyest American flag apparel and cargo shorts and maybe even stupid little red hats. Blend right in, maybe on the way in even fist bump a fed goon with a “Herl yer, bruther.” …and vote the right way right under their stupid noses.
Drop the ego, become invisible, become inevitable. We have only our chains to lose and everything to gain.
Idk dawg, putting our heads down and blending in doesn’t seem like a great way to fight fascism.
I think you’re misunderstanding my point; if your vote counted, and they were “guarding the polls” trying to loyalty test or intimidate, who cares what you say or wear or act like, as long as you get in there and check that box?
That ballot box is the endzone.
Sure, we should be protesting away, visibly, yes. We should be keeping the pressure on, yes. We need to be galvanizing and educating our communities, absolutely.
But come voting time? Pride and dignity be damned: Discretion is the better part of valor.
At the polls, yeah people who have already voted should be protesting and building morale to encourage everyone to show up.
But when it comes time to cast yours, nobody should give you a second look. Walk right in there like a ghost and check the box. At all costs. Even if you gotta look like a complete tool. Shower at home afterwards if you have to.
Being loud and proud and getting hauled away (or killed) beforehand is one less chance to get to fixing this thing, and even worse, you would be used as a tool to further scare away others from voting.
Not being able to tell who the true believers are vs. the saboteurs undermines factions all the time, and they absolutely use that tactic against us all the time.
I don’t personally think things will be so dramatic. The biggest battle is getting our side to actually vote at all, but we need to be prepared for this possibility and not be intimidated or foolhardy.
Yeah but this could make gas prices go up.
It’s just a progressive conspiracy and brown people are at fault.
Until he dies.
If un-armed Americans getting killed at home didn’t get him removed, armed Americans getting killed overseas won’t get him removed, no matter what happens he will refuse to leave office alive.
There’s 300 million of you and 1 of him, do the whole world a favour AND FUCKING K-[Redacted for legal reasons but you get the idea].
The people who got Trump elected will find another hack celebrity.
Trump has no magic powers beyond “name recognition”, really, another “star”. There will be another. And another. And another. Trump will be replaced immediately. The same filthy rich vampires will continue to “donate” and keep them elected.
USA is openly pay-for-play now, they don’t even bother to hide it. Look who shared the stage with him when he won… and those were the dumb ones.
I’m sure vance will be a paragon of liberal democracy.
when the internet starts getting videos of American soldiers getting killed by drones just like the ones with Russian soldiers we have right now.
The difference is the videos will only come from official Iranian government sources since there is otherwise an internet blackout in Iran, to which the Trump admin will obviously respond “it must be AI, cannot be trusted, Iranian government propaganda.” Meanwhile, like during Iraq, “embedded” US journalists will present a more rosy view of the conflict for US viewers at home while minimizing coverage of mounting evidence that the stories are true as US soldiers start leaking video themselves as conditions worsen.
He will stay in office until the midterms or Democrats are lucky enough to swing the midterms instead of handing Trump his stupid shit SAVE Act to fuck up the midterms. If that doesn’t happen, he will be in office until he is dead, and there is almost assuredly no coming back from this, despite how notoriously stupid the entire Trump administration is.
A prolonged conflict in Iran could spell total global financial disaster. Like, really bad.
best time to buy is when there is blood in the streets, republicans are disaster capitalists…they’re actively trying to collapse the markets so they can profit from it.
they do it everytime they’re in power, it’s a pretty obvious cycle tbh…every recession the last 50 years happened under a republican administration
You’re almost there!
Just wait until you learn about THE FED and the actual disaster capitalists, like JP Morgan, Deutsch Bank, and so on.
They’re international and they run the show (and the US dollar) “under” every Democratic admin. (bOtH sIdEs, sitting at table with Nazis, etc.)
Look at what happened after The Great Depression, and in 2008 under Obama, and our other bubbles. Who profited from those bubbles bursting? Why are they in charge of the US Dollar?
It’s a mystery, I’m sure they’re looking out for us
Oh sweet, the “good cop” term is on the way to save the day! I am sure that they will fix everything and punish those bad cops this time! I CAN FEEL IT
also they usa does poorly against insurgency, which iran has expertise in, plus they have other contingencies to prevent thier own govt downfall, thier leader got replaced almost as fast as he was killed.
Watching the glue factory footage yelling “it’s AI” all the way down
He is doing what putin tells him.
And to those who say that Russia and Iran are allies. Russia was never a true ally with anyone, it is just partnership of convenience. US destroying itself in Iran has massive benefit for Russia.
And the fact that US did this and also lifted sanctions on Russia and Belarus is clear demonstration that US is ruled by Russian agent.
Please just think about this for 5 minutes.
Russia’s economy is about the same size as California’s. They can no longer afford the President, Russia needs to step it up and give him a jet, a few hotels, or something to compete.
It’s all legal, none of this matters.
They bribed him since 80s and probably have more on him than it is in Epstein files.
through him likely, they have infilitrated the GOP since then, moscow mitch, rand paul i believe,etc. and everyones “favorite” tulsi gabbard.
probably have more on him than it is in Epstein files.
What more could there be?
If Trump would be a liability the billionaires would start an impeachment. Trump and the files are the distraction.
The files show that nothing happens, no matter the accusation. Russia can’t blackmail Trump. Blaiming Russia for Trump is just helping Americans to accept Trump because they don’t have to feel responsible.
The US has been buying Uranium, and I think even oil, the entire time from Russia, despite the sanctions. Lifting sanctions for other countries just prevents that they start decoupling from the US.
March 13 (Reuters) - The United States issued a 30-day waiver for countries to buy sanctioned Russian oil and petroleum products currently stranded at sea
Putin is not telling Trump to invade Putin’s ally, Iran. Even if it will hurt America, Putin does not want that, obviously.
Utterly brain-dead take.
Yeah? Tell me which country benefits most from the current situation? What has Iran to offer right now when Russia is producing their Shaheds domestically? Do you even think Russia would want Iran on any new countries to have nukes? The only thing putin cares is Iran seeing US and the West as their sworn enemies.
You know very little about Russia and recent events if you believe there are any agreements or alliances Russia honors.
Russia undoubtedly benefits the most, but not in the long run. Russia benefits from having allies.
Russia never treat their allies the same way the West same with their people.
putin had no problem killing 300 and injury almost 2000 Russian to get elected. It seems to be difficult for people who live far away from them to understand it.
This is why Ukraine is fighting. This is why any the loudest voices against Russia are its direct neighbors.
Country is an ally of Russia only if they share common enemy, are too naive or have no other choice.
LOL, so he lifted sanctions on Russia, Belarus and now Iran: https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/us-authorizes-temporary-delivery-sale-oil-originating-iran-2026-03-20/
We’re all aware of what he’s done, doesn’t change the outcome.
Every single thing he did, even thing that initially looked like would hurt Russia, long term ended up benefitting putin.
If it looks like he might be hurting Russia by some action then just wait, soon we discover something we didn’t know at the time that changes the picture completely.
Another thing is that a lot of people say he is unpredictable. If you start asking yourself how given action could help Russia he isn’t really that unpredictable.
He’s attacking Venezuela and Iran, and threatening Cuba. None of that helps Russia.
The sanctions he’s lifting on Russia demonstrate how disastrous the war has been and do help Russia (as does an increase in oil prices). But cutting off a producer of Shaheds does not, isolating Russia on the world stage by hurting its allies does not, continuing to (mostly) allow Ukraine to use American intelligence does not, etc.
I dunno whether people who spout this are conspiracy brained or just don’t think about it much but either way, please think.
Venezuela - he removed Maduro (who wasn’t even effective leader) and replaced him with the same Russian friendly regime. Now Venezuela has pretext to cut China (including its investments) and have less sources of oil (increase dependence on Russia)
Iran - he replaced 86 years old Khamenei who (in Iranian standards was chill and open to make deals with US) with 56 years old much more radical Khamenei Jr. Every armchair exists knew that Iran would block Strait of Hormuz, and even Iran themselves said that they will close it and start shooting at neighbors in the event of attack. Again, Strait of Hormuz provided majority of oil to Asia, especially China. Now for strange reasons trump also lifted sanctions on Russian oil, which wouldn’t affect price only allowed Russia to charge more for it. Also Russia is domestically producing Shaheds, they don’t need Iran for that.
Cuba - hard to talk about it, as this haven’t happen yet, he just blocked oil import to them, but I will be shocked if this somehow will lead to them having a democratic government. Frankly though I don’t think Russia cares about Cuba that much.
The sanctions he’s lifting on Russia demonstrate how disastrous the war has been and do help Russia (as does an increase in oil prices). But cutting off a producer of Shaheds does not, isolating Russia on the world stage by hurting its allies does not, continuing to (mostly) allow Ukraine to use American intelligence does not, etc.
The Russia already sells their oil on global market, lifting sanctions doesn’t increase amount of oil for the rest of the world, all it does is allows Russia to sell at higher price. You can call it a dumbass move, but his dumbass moves always benefit Russia somehow.
Shaheds as I mentioned earlier are now produced domestically in Russia, they no longer need Iran for that.
With the American intelligence it is actually no clear information. I saw article saying they actually sharing it to help targeting Russian oil infrastructure, then from the same time there’s article that US was promising that will share intelligence.
The fact that US was asking Ukraine to stop after it hit hub in Novorossiysk tells me that the intelligence sharing was just bullshit. In fact what kind of intelligence US could share about those terminals. They don’t have wheels and their locations aren’t secret. What kind of information would US provide about then that Ukraine wouldn’t have from their agents that are inside of Russia? It is bullshit information to help with narrative that he is somehow neutral.
I dunno whether people who spout this are conspiracy brained or just don’t think about it much but either way, please think.
I woulda encourage you to take your advice yourself. You are writing it assuming others didn’t see the information that you have when in reality you are missing things. Like for example Russia has production of shaheds, it modified them to work better and now it’s providing them to Iran to his US bases.
I’m wondering about how they’re going to get them there in the first place. Both landing craft and rotorcraft are going to be very vulnerable if our air power can’t silence Iranian fire (which is seemingly the whole reason why this is “necessary”).
It takes $500 to stop an oil tanker because they’re, well, floating buckets of flammable material, with no armouring or defense capability.
It takes a lot more to stop an amphibious landing.
Yeah, and beach landings are notoriously hard to oppose.
$500!?
If they comp the bic lighter and arm floaties I’ll do it for half
also iran is much larger, and mountainous than afghanistan.
It will be more like Afghanistan. Iran is mostly mountainous and guerilla warfare will be the default. The US relies too much on technology which will not that useful in that environment. Don’t forget that the Iran army has been training for years for this type of conflict. Afghanistan was a disaster for American troops but will be nothing compared to Iran.
Afghanistan, but with a military with more plans and more space and more resources. It’ll redefine the meaning of “don’t conduct a land war in Asia”
I also wonder if the Iranian soldiers are willing to die for the regime or not. Like the Iraq invasion was relatively easy because the nation was fragmented and divided under Saddam and many soldiers deserted and surrendered quickly.
Of course the occupation was a different matter.
Whatever disagreements they have with the regime, they are rallying around the flag. Now they could peel off the kurds, except they already betrayed the kurds multiple times, and this administration explicitly has. Allowing Turkey to target them and such.
This US administration has no credibility, and no trust, and they are too dumb, mean, greedy, and short sighted to do empire successfully.
The regime is the only thing that maintain the state from complete collapse.Israel want another genocide. People learned from Iraq.
The US military has long been obsessed with World War II era tactics. Which essentially amounts to “We’ve got more troops than you, and we’ve given them bigger guns”.
But this strategy hasn’t been relevant since the end of the Cold War. Why would I care how many soldiers you have stationed at an important facility when I can just blow said important facility up with my big bomb? Their presence is irrelevant. Now that drone combat is so prevalent the number of troops you have is even less relevant.
Iran has essentially managed to defeat the United States without any of their troops moving beyond their border.
The US always loses to asymmetric warfare. Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam.
I’m not a USA latter 20th century historian - have they actually won a war since WWII
The military can win a war, you just have to be willing to sterilize an entire population to do it. Politics is the issue there.
While the Korean was hasn’t officially ended, I’d say South Korea came out ahead.
If you count conflicts like Syria and Iraq, the US achieved the goal of toppling their leaders. But in none of those cases were they successful in creating a democratic government.
Trump learning anything has to be the biggest oxymoron in the world.
