I didnt think feeling safe was why liberals where buying guns. I thought it was to make oppressors and aggressors feel less safe.
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Guns are literally an oppressive force. The second amendment people are ready to kill those who try to stop ICE or change the government in a way they don’t like. Their threat is literally murder, but sure more guns will solve this problem.
“The second amendment people” are the oppressive force. The guns are tools used by said force to oppress.
Semantics. There are more guns in the US than people in the US. Guns are an oppressive force themselves in these extreme circumstances.
No different than having land mines all over at this point. People die needlessly due to proliferation thus creating an oppressive force without 2nd amendment gun nutters.
People aren’t claiming that they love guns, or gun violence. The point is that gun reform is dead for the foreseeable future. And since we are all forced to live in a society with gun proliferation, it makes sense that fascist shouldn’t be the only ones with guns.
Yeah, this is just learned helplessness wrapped up in a pretty bow.
What makes sense is dealing with the problem. We can’t regulate guns, but we can regulate bathrooms!?
Yeah, I am not buying it. Also, people are claiming they love guns and plenty love war as well. My daughter’s coworkers had a spirited conversation about how we should just rip off the bandaid and invade Canada and Mexico.
Clearly there is something wrong with our society and the proliferation of guns is just another symptom that needs to be managed as you would any disease.
Yeah, this is just learned helplessness wrapped up in a pretty bow.
Lol, arming yourself against fascist is totally learned helplessness…
I just think you are either delusional, in denial, or completely ignorant of the state of current affairs in the US, if you think we have any chance of gun reform with the current supreme court.
What makes sense is dealing with the problem. We can’t regulate guns, but we can regulate bathrooms!?
The people who want to protect fun laws currently hold the Senate, the House, and the Supreme Court which also have a very conservative interpretation of the constituonal amendment that protects firearms. They are also the same people who want to regulate bathrooms.
How do you suppose we enact firearms regulations?
Also, people are claiming they love guns and plenty love war as well. My daughter’s coworkers had a spirited conversation about how we should just rip off the bandaid and invade Canada and Mexico.
I was talking about the people in this current forum…
Clearly there is something wrong with our society and the proliferation of guns is just another symptom that needs to be managed as you would any disease.
Yeah… No shit. There are literallly fascist running the government.
I would love to live in a society where I don’t have to think about gun violence, that would be rad. It’s just clearly not the society we currently inhabit, and ignoring that fact does not make you any safer.
You might have the privilege of living in a more civil part of the country. I on the other hand am in an interracial marriage in the most violent and racist state in the union. So excuse me if I teach my friends and family how to defend themselves and build a mutual defence network among other minorities and the queer community.
Pretending you are not engaging in learned helpless is pretty silly as it is obvious you are. Clearly you don’t understand what is really going on, and that is okay. Fascism is not new, not even a little bit.
There are so many good solutions to our issues and the fact that you haven’t even spent time thinking about them is very telling. Instead you are a reactionary. Guns will never make our society safer, if they did we would be the safest society in the world already.
I have seen the damage gun culture does to the minority and queer community. The needless deaths and violence. Pushed by those who are mentally ill professing perverse defense fantasies created by the marketing department of gun manufacturers.
Just another fascist cog doing exactly what your are supposed to.
Conservatives want guns to protect themselves from a bunch of DEI boogymen that don’t exist. The left is buying guns to protect themselves from the boogymen that are currently publicly stripping away/violating their rights while doing multiple genocides.
Trying to act like the two groups are the same makes you either a boldfaced liar or an idiot. But hey, at least you get to be smugly superior with your snappy little meme.
Get to feel smugly superior. Because they certainly aren’t.
This meme assumes liberals, or the left broadly construed, view guns in the same way.
Conservatives want to bring their AR-15 into Burger King, because they view guns as a sort of magic totem of protection.
Of the left gun owners I know, liberals, Anarchists, Marxists, etc. They have a far more grounded view of guns, and see them much more for the tool that they are.
Yeah, well said. I’m a pro gun progressive but there limits to gun ownership
I don’t think ‘feeling safe’ is the goal so much as the understanding that the Nazis are making a huge comeback, and that votes and protest signs don’t generally do a great job of killing Nazis.
Like, if you’re going down anyway, might as well bag a few Nazis on your way out; or maybe you see some Nazis harrassing someone and you’re a safe distance away with a rifle.
So… you could be part of solving a gigantic problem, but it will 100% not make you safe. To the contrary, it’ll make you a target.
Traditional gun enthusiasts have “their scenario”. That is, the thing they think they will need their cache of ARs and survival gear and 10k rounds. SHTF, end of the world as we know it, meth addled home intruder, zombie apocalypse, whatever.
I think folks on the left never had “their scenario” and correctly assessed the odds of those scenarios happening was low. So, logically, no need to arm themselves.
Those odds have changed and we’ve been watching those scenarios play out live on social media. Leftists have taken notice and are adjusting their relationship with firearms appropriately.
Yeah, well said. I’m a pro gun progressive but there limits to gun ownership. Sometimes the Calvary is not coming and the only way to protect ourselves is to buy and use guns
Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered. Any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.
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No no. You do it for the statistics.
When the black panthers started getting guns, they got gun reform laws up real quick.
Now imagine every LGBTetc individual getting a gun, it shows up in the Republican Excel sheets. They start getting scared and invent new laws to make it harder.
If/When you buy the gun, you disassemble it and store it in a certified gun safe. This way when they storm your apartment and kill your because “you had a gun” it’s a fuck lot harder for them to plant a gun on you.
“I have some qualms shooting people.” Aka “just as bad as Maga” Lol you need to go have your brain checked, it don’t work so good.
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Take your own advice you twerp.
Armed minorities are harder to suppress.
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If a racist, bigoted group doesn’t want you to have a thing… you should probably consider having that thing.
A lot of people on Lemmy would call you a turbolib for saying something so radical
What? No they won’t. I have never seen anyone being accused of being a liberal for being pro-gun around here.
I’m talking about the other thing conservatives want to take away from minorities
What? Rights? Representation? Not ringing any bells.
Starts with a V, many Lemmy users don’t want to have one…
Varicose veins?
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I agree, and they get so mad when a leftist actually does something to try and improve the world
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Ha, I just recently wrote a blog post about the fact that communicating effectively with your vote is a skill, you might like it
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Don’t buy a gun because it’ll make you feel safe. Buy a gun to piss off OP.
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I’ve always been of the belief that more guns cause more death, and I still hold that belief.
However, the last decade has proven to me that this country is far too stupid to maintain a democracy so, unfortunately, the guns are necessary, because things are about to get a whole lot sketchier in this nation. And as things degrade, I need protection, particularly from low IQ aggressive conservatives.
Liberals never want leftists owning guns cause when liberals send Pinkertons to murder us they don’t want us fighting back.
You sound like a liberal wanting rights nshit
Saying “liberals” is incorrect. NEO-liberal is the correct word. Liberal progressives/socialists are not the same thing.
This is the stupidest comment I’ve seen on here in a while, and there’s a lot of dumb stuff on here.
Tell that to the miners Baldwin-Felts shot
Yeah, that was in the 1890s…last time that was a problem was 1937.
The event I was referencing was 1921, and the last time a picketer was shot was 2023, but whatever I guess…
Why look at recent history when you can make declarations about how this is all ancient history
Yeah because we don’t have unions or labor movements anymore. Thanks libtards.
Feeling safe isn’t the point of having guns.
The point is to make your oppressors feel unsafe.
Idk…venison is a good reason too.
Yeah, but then I have to take part in the killing instead of passively benefiting from it :(
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Well history says the states started to have more gun laws after the black panthers, so maybe this is the way to get gun control in pacific non violent way.
Purchasing a firearm is one thing, but if you fail to practice consistently, you will fuck up.
yeah its amazing to me that the country with more guns than people is as of late surging to get more guns. the craziest part is, its really hard to blame the leftists for this conclusion, given the context.
The thing is, the guns are largely concentrated in the hands of people that make the left feel unsafe - and recent events have caused the left to feel even less safe about the situation. Now the liberals are arming up to balance out the equation a bit, and that’s driving a big part of the surge.
thats basically how i understand it, yes.
i dont feel comfortable conflating leftism with liberalism, but thats another can of semantic worms.
Yeah, sorry - I spent too many years hearing the right complain about libruls as if the term encompassed everything to their left, and I still haven’t completely untangled that knot in my brain.
extremely cool reply. cheers.
