How dare they judge us based off who we voted for, like our actions have consequences or something. It’s bullshit. I just want to criticize everything, contribute nothing, and still receive praise from actual leftists.
The people being mocked by this meme isn’t people who voted for the Dems. It’s the Dems who keep abusing the trust of anyone that does by breaking their promises of affecting meaningful change for regular people.
To put it another way: this is criticizing Lucy for pulling away the football more than Charlie Brown for thinking she won’t do it this time.
Ironically, you missed the point of him mocking leftists who don’t want to be blamed when they do stupid shit like protest voting.
Do you know why Donald Trump won in 2024? Do you think he gained millions of voters since 2020? NO. Donald Trump won because 9 Million people who voted for Biden in 2020 did not show up to vote for Harris in 2024. That’s why Republicans are making everything worse, causing starvation and disease across the globe, pushing the world towards the dual cliffs of climate change and nuclear war. Because of “leftists” choosing to “resist” the DNC’s competent leadership, opting for a genocidal maniac instead.
The fact that you don’t even register the conflicting statements you just posted.
For example: Tim Walz said in the VP debate that they need to Expand Israel’s Borders, but you claim he was more popular than Kamala Harris and also that the Israel stance lost her the election. It is also nonsensical to believe Donald “Kill Their Families” Trump would help a single fucking Palestinian.
You also talked about the popularity of literal DNC policy platform.
This is a great example of how the DNC candidates themselves weren’t the problem, rather how tens of millions of people can be easily deceived is the problem.
No wonder you’re still confused if you didn’t even bother reading them.
Tim Walz said in the VP debate that they need to Expand Israel’s Borders, but you claim he was more popular than Kamala Harris and also that the Israel stance lost her the election.
You must be referring to the last link. Which, if you read, was about Walz’ policies on increasing the minimum wage, taxing the wealthy, lowering cost of prescription drugs, and legalizing weed. Not remotely his stance on Israel, which when he toed that DNC line on the debate change, I’m sure significantly hit his popularity. That’s about the pivoting point when popularity that initially surged for Harris/Walz waned as they made absolutely there ‘nothing would fundamentally chance’ compared to Biden.
Israel was a significant factor, perhaps see the 34 polls linked for details, instead of just the link text.
It is also nonsensical to believe Donald “Kill Their Families” Trump would help a single fucking Palestinian.
From a previous comment of mine:
So how was Trump able to come off as the ‘dove’ candidate? He did this same strategy of framing himself as a peaceful ‘dove’ in 2016 against Clinton. I put dove in quotes because anyone who pays attention to Trump’s actual foreign policy knows that’s not remotely true. High propensity voters aren’t fooled by this but plenty of low propensity voters sure can be. Trump was only effective as framing himself as a Dove because of how terrible the Biden admins Foreign policy was for the last fifteen months. If Harris pivoted from Biden on Palestine, as the vast majority of all voters wanted and as required by domestic and international law, Trump wouldn’t have been able to frame himself as a Dove. I’m fact, if Harris not only pivoted but harped on Trump’s connection to Netanyahu, it would’ve been incredibly easy to frame Trump as a warmonger cozying up to genocidal fascists
You also talked about the popularity of literal DNC policy platform.
No, I pointed out what they need to be a popular platform.
This is a great example of how the DNC candidates themselves weren’t the problem, rather how tens of millions of people can be easily deceived is the problem.
Again, this only makes sense if you repeatedly ignore the significant and overwhelming evidence that shows which of their policies (and lack there of) caused them to become unpopular, and which policies would make them popular
I’m done with this convo. All the answers to your questions are in those links, which anyone who took them seriously would know.
None of that changes the fact that the reduction in Democrat voter turnout exactly as protest (non)voters advocated won Trump the election.
That protest (non)voting “strategy” was shit advocacy.
Larry Sabato, the director of the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia, acknowledged that Biden voters who swung toward Mr. Trump played a part in Ms. Harris’s loss, but pointed to low Democratic turnout as the larger factor.
Later, the article highlights clear cases (in some swing states) where Democratic voter turnout would have made a difference.
Where Trump gained a little and Harris lost a lot.
Mr. Trump won Florida’s Miami-Dade County, becoming the first Republican to do so since 1988. But again, Ms. Harris’s loss was just as much of the story as his gain: Mr. Trump won about 70,000 new votes in the county, while she lost nearly 140,000.
Other counties that Mr. Trump flipped had similar vote disparities.
In 21 of these 77 counties, Mr. Trump received fewer votes in this election than in 2020, but the Democratic vote drop-off was much steeper. This happened from coast to coast, from Fresno County, Calif., to Pinellas County, Fla.
It was the Democrat’s strategy that resulted in low voter turnout. The votes were up for grabs, they ran away from them.
It’s not like the campaign was unaware of what messaging and policies were unpopular. They chose to ignore it. They chose to run to the right on policy and messaging.
If they gave a shit about being an opposition to fascism, about actually winning, they would have heeded all the warning signs and run a different campaign. Instead they prioritized the interest of their capital donors, and gave a fuck you to their constituents that they are supposed to represent.
Ironically, you missed the point of him mocking leftists who don’t want to be blamed when they do stupid shit like protest voting.
Nope, I caught that. Just didn’t want to dignify his tired strawman by directly addressing it.
Do you know why Donald Trump won in 2024
Many reasons, chief amongst them the Dem leadership running one of the worst campaigns in living memory.
Around the time where they had taken the senile old man off the ticket and added the authentic and compassionate governor, they had FANTASTIC momentum and were sailing towards a landslide victory by creating almost unprecedented enthusiasm within their own base.
Then they started listening to the donors and Clintonian strategists and pissed it all away in favor of their usual “Centrist” (actually significantly right of center by today’s standards) strategy from 1992.
9 Million people who voted for Biden in 2020 did not show up to vote for Harris in 2024
See above for the main reason.
That’s why Republicans are making everything worse, causing starvation and disease across the globe, pushing the world towards the dual cliffs of climate change and nuclear war. Because of “leftists” choosing to “resist” the DNC’s competent leadership
Nope. You’ve got it upside down again.
The outwardly incompetent (but actually shrewd when you realize that they value tradition and their legal bribes over getting elected) DNC leadership threw the Left off the cliff, pissing on them all the way down while receiving billions of dollars from rich donors for their trouble.
You blame the dnc doing a poor job campaigning (trying to pull in some centrist vote) as the reason they lost, it’s the same as blaming the gop doing an effective job campaigning (by lying). Nope. It’s the fault voters who are stupid and blind that failed to see through the posturing and effectively voted for the fascist assholes who are now destroying the U.S. You shouldn’t need handholding to see the gop is evil and the dnc isn’t as bad. You had a choice between those, and you picked trump 2 - you own the result.
Seriously. It’s the bare minimum obligation as a member of society to be informed and engaged in the civic process, including understanding how our system works in practice and the ability to look past what pols say and simply see how they vote, and how those policies actually affect the country. It takes very little time and effort and intelligence to be at least this engaged, and 70 percent of Americans can’t be fucked. Trump and maga are fully the fault and responsibility of the average US American non and third party voter.
This is basically how I feel. I agree generally with the original meme but it’s also still absolutely the voters fault for being so fucking stupid and uninformed.
Ah finitebajo has arrived to shut the thread down with his troll posting. Here comes 20 coments with negative scores and everyone departing in disgust.
How dare they judge us based off who we voted for, like our actions have consequences or something. It’s bullshit. I just want to criticize everything, contribute nothing, and still receive praise from actual leftists.
The people being mocked by this meme isn’t people who voted for the Dems. It’s the Dems who keep abusing the trust of anyone that does by breaking their promises of affecting meaningful change for regular people.
To put it another way: this is criticizing Lucy for pulling away the football more than Charlie Brown for thinking she won’t do it this time.
Ironically, you missed the point of him mocking leftists who don’t want to be blamed when they do stupid shit like protest voting.
Do you know why Donald Trump won in 2024? Do you think he gained millions of voters since 2020? NO. Donald Trump won because 9 Million people who voted for Biden in 2020 did not show up to vote for Harris in 2024. That’s why Republicans are making everything worse, causing starvation and disease across the globe, pushing the world towards the dual cliffs of climate change and nuclear war. Because of “leftists” choosing to “resist” the DNC’s competent leadership, opting for a genocidal maniac instead.
And you think that these 9 Million people were leftist “protest voters”? O.o
Either that or they were stupid enough to listen to people like you.
Nevermind the actual data
Here Are 34 Polls That Show A Ceasefire & Weapons Embargo Help Kamala Win
Kamala Would Have Won With A Weapons Embargo
Democrats’ Working-Class Failures, Analysis Finds, Are ‘Why Trump Beat Harris’
2024 Post-Election Report: A retrospective and longitudinal data analysis on why Trump beat Harris
How Trump and Harris Voters See America’s Role in the World
Majority of Americans support progressive policies such as higher minimum wage, free college
Democrats should run on the popular progressive ideas, but not the unpopular ones
Here Are 7 ‘Left Wing’ Ideas (Almost) All Americans Can Get Behind
Finding common ground: 109 national policy proposals with bipartisan support
Progressive Policies Are Popular Policies
Tim Walz’s Progressive Policies Popular With Republicans in Swing States
The fact that you don’t even register the conflicting statements you just posted.
For example: Tim Walz said in the VP debate that they need to Expand Israel’s Borders, but you claim he was more popular than Kamala Harris and also that the Israel stance lost her the election. It is also nonsensical to believe Donald “Kill Their Families” Trump would help a single fucking Palestinian.
You also talked about the popularity of literal DNC policy platform.
This is a great example of how the DNC candidates themselves weren’t the problem, rather how tens of millions of people can be easily deceived is the problem.
Those are all links to data, not ‘statements.’
No wonder you’re still confused if you didn’t even bother reading them.
You must be referring to the last link. Which, if you read, was about Walz’ policies on increasing the minimum wage, taxing the wealthy, lowering cost of prescription drugs, and legalizing weed. Not remotely his stance on Israel, which when he toed that DNC line on the debate change, I’m sure significantly hit his popularity. That’s about the pivoting point when popularity that initially surged for Harris/Walz waned as they made absolutely there ‘nothing would fundamentally chance’ compared to Biden.
Israel was a significant factor, perhaps see the 34 polls linked for details, instead of just the link text.
From a previous comment of mine:
So how was Trump able to come off as the ‘dove’ candidate? He did this same strategy of framing himself as a peaceful ‘dove’ in 2016 against Clinton. I put dove in quotes because anyone who pays attention to Trump’s actual foreign policy knows that’s not remotely true. High propensity voters aren’t fooled by this but plenty of low propensity voters sure can be. Trump was only effective as framing himself as a Dove because of how terrible the Biden admins Foreign policy was for the last fifteen months. If Harris pivoted from Biden on Palestine, as the vast majority of all voters wanted and as required by domestic and international law, Trump wouldn’t have been able to frame himself as a Dove. I’m fact, if Harris not only pivoted but harped on Trump’s connection to Netanyahu, it would’ve been incredibly easy to frame Trump as a warmonger cozying up to genocidal fascists
No, I pointed out what they need to be a popular platform.
Again, this only makes sense if you repeatedly ignore the significant and overwhelming evidence that shows which of their policies (and lack there of) caused them to become unpopular, and which policies would make them popular
I’m done with this convo. All the answers to your questions are in those links, which anyone who took them seriously would know.
None of that changes the fact that the reduction in Democrat voter turnout exactly as protest (non)voters advocated won Trump the election. That protest (non)voting “strategy” was shit advocacy.
It’s been reported that low Democratic voter turnout played a large factor in the election outcome.
Later, the article highlights clear cases (in some swing states) where Democratic voter turnout would have made a difference.
Non-voters allowed Trump to win.
It was the Democrat’s strategy that resulted in low voter turnout. The votes were up for grabs, they ran away from them.
It’s not like the campaign was unaware of what messaging and policies were unpopular. They chose to ignore it. They chose to run to the right on policy and messaging.
If they gave a shit about being an opposition to fascism, about actually winning, they would have heeded all the warning signs and run a different campaign. Instead they prioritized the interest of their capital donors, and gave a fuck you to their constituents that they are supposed to represent.
Blaming voters instead of the party that lost the country is some self fulfilling fascism prophecy.
You can’t expect people to vote for abhorrent policy, and blame them when they don’t…
You just have to have good policy proposal, pretty simple
Look, you’re the meme!
Also:
Nope, I caught that. Just didn’t want to dignify his tired strawman by directly addressing it.
Many reasons, chief amongst them the Dem leadership running one of the worst campaigns in living memory.
Around the time where they had taken the senile old man off the ticket and added the authentic and compassionate governor, they had FANTASTIC momentum and were sailing towards a landslide victory by creating almost unprecedented enthusiasm within their own base.
Then they started listening to the donors and Clintonian strategists and pissed it all away in favor of their usual “Centrist” (actually significantly right of center by today’s standards) strategy from 1992.
See above for the main reason.
Nope. You’ve got it upside down again.
The outwardly incompetent (but actually shrewd when you realize that they value tradition and their legal bribes over getting elected) DNC leadership threw the Left off the cliff, pissing on them all the way down while receiving billions of dollars from rich donors for their trouble.
You blame the dnc doing a poor job campaigning (trying to pull in some centrist vote) as the reason they lost, it’s the same as blaming the gop doing an effective job campaigning (by lying). Nope. It’s the fault voters who are stupid and blind that failed to see through the posturing and effectively voted for the fascist assholes who are now destroying the U.S. You shouldn’t need handholding to see the gop is evil and the dnc isn’t as bad. You had a choice between those, and you picked trump 2 - you own the result.
Seriously. It’s the bare minimum obligation as a member of society to be informed and engaged in the civic process, including understanding how our system works in practice and the ability to look past what pols say and simply see how they vote, and how those policies actually affect the country. It takes very little time and effort and intelligence to be at least this engaged, and 70 percent of Americans can’t be fucked. Trump and maga are fully the fault and responsibility of the average US American non and third party voter.
Must be a coincidence, but most the people defending the DNC and blaming voters instead, I’ve tagged previously for defending Israel.
Fuck Israel and fuck everyone who didn’t vote dem since Hillary. Voters getting what they asked for.
See here
Here Are 34 Polls That Show A Ceasefire & Weapons Embargo Help Kamala Win
Kamala Would Have Won With A Weapons Embargo
Democrats’ Working-Class Failures, Analysis Finds, Are ‘Why Trump Beat Harris’
2024 Post-Election Report: A retrospective and longitudinal data analysis on why Trump beat Harris
How Trump and Harris Voters See America’s Role in the World
Majority of Americans support progressive policies such as higher minimum wage, free college
Democrats should run on the popular progressive ideas, but not the unpopular ones
Here Are 7 ‘Left Wing’ Ideas (Almost) All Americans Can Get Behind
Finding common ground: 109 national policy proposals with bipartisan support
Progressive Policies Are Popular Policies
Tim Walz’s Progressive Policies Popular With Republicans in Swing States
Fuck Israel and any politician who supported funding genocide
This is basically how I feel. I agree generally with the original meme but it’s also still absolutely the voters fault for being so fucking stupid and uninformed.
Ah finitebajo has arrived to shut the thread down with his troll posting. Here comes 20 coments with negative scores and everyone departing in disgust.
Or, Elon Musk handed him the election.