Currency is the alternative to nature? I would say society/technology gives us medicine and protection/warning against natural disasters, whether it’s a capitalist society, socialist, or anything else.
Yes, and about nature, and about the “free” things it supposedly gives you - except Nature doesn’t ‘give’ us anything, it just exists. And if we want to get useful things from it, it’s usually not free, we have to pay with our labour and time - and money is just the capitalist proxy for labour and time that enables people to have specialised jobs while still getting all the different types of things people need. Alternate systems could distribute the resources more equitably, but it would still require time and labour to extract it from Nature.
So ‘pay’ with labour, no one is arguing against that here. Do you think the housing this person is standing in formed naturally or that they have an issue with working? The issues they are talking about are money and ownership of resources.
Money (and capitalism) is a terrible way to abstract labour value, and as we can see it leads to hoarding by people who do no work.
We tried that before. It ends up in gangs, fiefdoms and kingships. You all act like we walked out of the forest with money and government already in place
Money at its most simplest it’s just a representation of labour to facilitate trade. Hell, depending on how you define “money”, there’s a good chance the quote source uses it happily too.
Your gripe appears to be with capitalism, and maybe fiat currency.
Like diseases, death, natural disasters…
TIL: currency cures diseases, death, and natural disasters.
Currency is the alternative to nature? I would say society/technology gives us medicine and protection/warning against natural disasters, whether it’s a capitalist society, socialist, or anything else.
See the image, see how it’s talking about money?
Yes, and about nature, and about the “free” things it supposedly gives you - except Nature doesn’t ‘give’ us anything, it just exists. And if we want to get useful things from it, it’s usually not free, we have to pay with our labour and time - and money is just the capitalist proxy for labour and time that enables people to have specialised jobs while still getting all the different types of things people need. Alternate systems could distribute the resources more equitably, but it would still require time and labour to extract it from Nature.
So ‘pay’ with labour, no one is arguing against that here. Do you think the housing this person is standing in formed naturally or that they have an issue with working? The issues they are talking about are money and ownership of resources.
Money (and capitalism) is a terrible way to abstract labour value, and as we can see it leads to hoarding by people who do no work.
Genuine question: how would you replace money in a complex society? Exchanging favors and services works only on a very small scale.
Mutual cooperation as seen in anarchism.
This is a fantasy.
We tried that before. It ends up in gangs, fiefdoms and kingships. You all act like we walked out of the forest with money and government already in place
Counter question. Care to explain how this would work on global scale? For instance, how would travelling for leisure work?
Walk me trough a simple chain of trades that results in the building of a power plant. An automobile. Medical research.
Money at its most simplest it’s just a representation of labour to facilitate trade. Hell, depending on how you define “money”, there’s a good chance the quote source uses it happily too.
Your gripe appears to be with capitalism, and maybe fiat currency.
Yeah… and the quote says “nature doesn’t trade”.