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This is a site populated mostly by the too edgy or too contrarian for Reddit, with the same flaws in incentive systems as Reddit, why are you surprised lol.
And why does it seem like they all hate Pewdiepie?
He took a fascist turn during Trump 1 and never really recovered his image. Got into a bunch of weird exploitative shit, not unlike Mr Beast. The most notable being when he tested the Fiverr service and paid five dollars to get Indian freelance actors to laugh and show a sign saying ‘Death to all Jews’.
After that, he started getting deplatformed and his following fell off considerably. So, like a bunch of other has-been YouTube starlets, he decided to get even more edgy and reactionary, further poisoning his image. It’s the same death spiral Russell Brand and Rob Schneider fell down.
Not to defend them or completely dismiss their part in all that, pretty sure it was just someone else sending the fiverr video to them and them opening it while streaming. But the latter incident, where they shouted some slurs on air while playing some game, that’s I think more inexcusable. But I always got the impression they never were actual nazi or far right despite the subject matter of the incidents, it’s more just them being an idiot and trying to be funny and edgy for content and missing the target entirely on a couple of occasions. I think the aftermath speaks for itself, they did some reflecting and ended up changing the formula and content type entirely, and we are now seeing the fruits of that effort.
I don’t mean to belittle the shit they’ve pulled, but I also don’t want to paint anyone irredeemable, even less when they actually manage to do introspection and change. We should encourage that and highlight that instead. I’d reserve the unconditional hate and spite for those that deserve it, that don’t change, don’t reflect, perhaps actually mean the things they do and say, with passion.
Sorry, but something I’ve had to learn with time is that it really doesn’t matter who’s operating the gas chamber, if their actions rely on hundreds of other people openly saying “Death to all jews”. There’s no importance to whether those people would ever pull the lever themselves. The language is what’s important, not how much they were “only joking”. Both an ultra-racist and an edgy teen in their late 20s are just “trying to get away with it” and don’t care who they hurt.
Yeah I’m certainly not going to claim to be an avid or long time watcher of pewdiepie but… No he didn’t? The fiverr thing happened, sure. But the rest of that is wild conjecture and misinformation.
Nah I’m not going to take a lecturing, each ‘incident’ can v easily have been explained, it’s why a lot of people on this page aren’t taking you guys seriously, your type are to tightly wound up
You hear this from serial sexual harassers all the time. Every individual incident has plausible deniability. It’s the trend line that eventually catches up with you.
I don’t really see the things he did and said (he didn’t AFAIK actually make that fiverr order btw) as taking “a fascist turn”. Not excusing him using slurs on stream or his weird dogwhistles to fascists during that period, though, he certainly did and said things he should not have. But I think there’s a difference between farming edgy meme culture, in an insensitive way, for views, and actually espousing fascist views and trying to convert people to them. I might be missing something, and I’m under no illusion that the guy is some perfectly kind and humble person, but I think he’s more than made up for his prior mistakes as a public figure, with what he’s doing as a public figure now. It’s quite clear he’s no longer in the cancerous influencer rat race, and hasn’t been for some time.
lot of old farts on here that never grew up on youtube, just ignore the bitter old heads and people who think there too highspeed to have ever enjoyed his videos.
Didn’t downvote. I’m old…like probably the oldest user here, and tho I have heard of Pewdiepie, I’ve never seen any of his videos nor do I know any of his lore.
Maybe is because im not from US but i dont give a damn about this stuff. He is swedish so I totally get that he didnt gave a damn at the time either. This Nword stuff is a strange cultural trait of one of the most racial aware countries in the world that, btw, is very racist overall.
And I agree that now he is more mature but I dont thing he essentially changed. He has been always very goofy and still is.
…Yeah man I’m American, don’t worry, you’ll never catch me arguing that America isn’t a racist country lol. This place fucking sucks, and that’s one of the big reasons why.
Like I said I truly do not care about Pewdiepie. I don’t want anything bad to happen to him, I wouldn’t go out of my way to make anything good happen for him, he’s just irrelevant to me and that’s fine for both of us I imagine.
Though I will say that if you elect to “not give a damn” about other people being exposed to racial slurs which make them feel dehumanized though, you’re an asshole and a privileged one at that. Just because it may not be particularly relevant in your culture (though, back on 420chan [I’m old], I remember Swedish people whining nonstop about the Somali immigrants in their country, so I’m not sure I’m entirely convinced that it isn’t a Swedish issue too) doesn’t mean you shouldn’t care about how it can hurt other people. Especially when said by someone with a global audience, especially when that global audience is largely children or teenagers.
But also, to reiterate my reiteration: I do not care about Pewdiepie and am not suggesting he be exiled from humanity, only that he probably shouldn’t do that again. Which it sounds like he hasn’t, so… good?
He said the nword once (terrible thing), almost a decade ago, apologized for it and improved (I guess) as a person
I’m sick of internet people calling for a guillotine whenever someone makes a mistake even once
yeah, its part of why the internet sucks, you make some bad decisions, fall for some stupid propaganda or listen to the wrong person, and you’re branded forever. People make bad decisions. It happens.
gods forbid someone make a mistake and then take a step back to reexamine their lives to try and be a better person.
I personally love him for being the same guy all this years.
My point was not necessarily that he needs to be excommunicated from humanity, but that they might want to reconsider whether him “being the same guy all this years” is a good thing
(I do not actually give a single shit about Pewdiepie in any fashion positive or negative)
can already tell this is gonna be the most insufferable comment section of all time
Wtf is wrong with this place, why is everyone fighting
And why does it seem like they all hate Pewdiepie?
This is a site populated mostly by the too edgy or too contrarian for Reddit, with the same flaws in incentive systems as Reddit, why are you surprised lol.
I mean I’m just here because of the API thing
Theres no place for nuance here, get outta here! /s
Same, and I’d count that as contrarian behaviour.
No it’s not!
Yer this whole experiment just recreated post Aaron Reddit culture but pre API changes
He took a fascist turn during Trump 1 and never really recovered his image. Got into a bunch of weird exploitative shit, not unlike Mr Beast. The most notable being when he tested the Fiverr service and paid five dollars to get Indian freelance actors to laugh and show a sign saying ‘Death to all Jews’.
After that, he started getting deplatformed and his following fell off considerably. So, like a bunch of other has-been YouTube starlets, he decided to get even more edgy and reactionary, further poisoning his image. It’s the same death spiral Russell Brand and Rob Schneider fell down.
Not to defend them or completely dismiss their part in all that, pretty sure it was just someone else sending the fiverr video to them and them opening it while streaming. But the latter incident, where they shouted some slurs on air while playing some game, that’s I think more inexcusable. But I always got the impression they never were actual nazi or far right despite the subject matter of the incidents, it’s more just them being an idiot and trying to be funny and edgy for content and missing the target entirely on a couple of occasions. I think the aftermath speaks for itself, they did some reflecting and ended up changing the formula and content type entirely, and we are now seeing the fruits of that effort.
I don’t mean to belittle the shit they’ve pulled, but I also don’t want to paint anyone irredeemable, even less when they actually manage to do introspection and change. We should encourage that and highlight that instead. I’d reserve the unconditional hate and spite for those that deserve it, that don’t change, don’t reflect, perhaps actually mean the things they do and say, with passion.
Is bigotry for clout not somehow worse than at least holding a bigoted conviction?
Sorry, but something I’ve had to learn with time is that it really doesn’t matter who’s operating the gas chamber, if their actions rely on hundreds of other people openly saying “Death to all jews”. There’s no importance to whether those people would ever pull the lever themselves. The language is what’s important, not how much they were “only joking”. Both an ultra-racist and an edgy teen in their late 20s are just “trying to get away with it” and don’t care who they hurt.
Damn, WSJ really succeeded in their campaign
Yeah I’m certainly not going to claim to be an avid or long time watcher of pewdiepie but… No he didn’t? The fiverr thing happened, sure. But the rest of that is wild conjecture and misinformation.
no its just virtue signalers and keyboard warriors remembering hed did a bad thing that one time on the bridge and assumed hes a Nazi now.
Far more than the one time. He had a whole routine about exploiting overseas labor to perform humiliating stunts.
Nah I’m not going to take a lecturing, each ‘incident’ can v easily have been explained, it’s why a lot of people on this page aren’t taking you guys seriously, your type are to tightly wound up
You hear this from serial sexual harassers all the time. Every individual incident has plausible deniability. It’s the trend line that eventually catches up with you.
My type being… big budget advertisers on YouTube?
Now your implying I’m a rapist, go Fuck yourself, that I’m not going to put up with.
I don’t really see the things he did and said (he didn’t AFAIK actually make that fiverr order btw) as taking “a fascist turn”. Not excusing him using slurs on stream or his weird dogwhistles to fascists during that period, though, he certainly did and said things he should not have. But I think there’s a difference between farming edgy meme culture, in an insensitive way, for views, and actually espousing fascist views and trying to convert people to them. I might be missing something, and I’m under no illusion that the guy is some perfectly kind and humble person, but I think he’s more than made up for his prior mistakes as a public figure, with what he’s doing as a public figure now. It’s quite clear he’s no longer in the cancerous influencer rat race, and hasn’t been for some time.
The nazi who shot and killed 51 Muslim worshipers in Christchurch in 2017, shouted ‘subscribe to pewdiepie’ at the start of his live streamed rampage
you’ll have to excuse me if I never let that go
lot of old farts on here that never grew up on youtube, just ignore the bitter old heads and people who think there too highspeed to have ever enjoyed his videos.
Didn’t downvote. I’m old…like probably the oldest user here, and tho I have heard of Pewdiepie, I’ve never seen any of his videos nor do I know any of his lore.
are you bitter? if not then you dont apply.
Never tasted myself.
Me either, I’m too old and inflexible to try that anymore.
I’m old. I never understood the appeal of that cunt.
Im old and I personally love him for being the same guy all this years.
Homie, they couldn’t waterboard me into posting that sentence publicly
He literally defined low Q brain rot videos. there are good uses of YouTube, then there is this guy.
You sure about that?
Maybe is because im not from US but i dont give a damn about this stuff. He is swedish so I totally get that he didnt gave a damn at the time either. This Nword stuff is a strange cultural trait of one of the most racial aware countries in the world that, btw, is very racist overall. And I agree that now he is more mature but I dont thing he essentially changed. He has been always very goofy and still is.
…Yeah man I’m American, don’t worry, you’ll never catch me arguing that America isn’t a racist country lol. This place fucking sucks, and that’s one of the big reasons why.
Like I said I truly do not care about Pewdiepie. I don’t want anything bad to happen to him, I wouldn’t go out of my way to make anything good happen for him, he’s just irrelevant to me and that’s fine for both of us I imagine.
Though I will say that if you elect to “not give a damn” about other people being exposed to racial slurs which make them feel dehumanized though, you’re an asshole and a privileged one at that. Just because it may not be particularly relevant in your culture (though, back on 420chan [I’m old], I remember Swedish people whining nonstop about the Somali immigrants in their country, so I’m not sure I’m entirely convinced that it isn’t a Swedish issue too) doesn’t mean you shouldn’t care about how it can hurt other people. Especially when said by someone with a global audience, especially when that global audience is largely children or teenagers.
But also, to reiterate my reiteration: I do not care about Pewdiepie and am not suggesting he be exiled from humanity, only that he probably shouldn’t do that again. Which it sounds like he hasn’t, so… good?
He said the nword once (terrible thing), almost a decade ago, apologized for it and improved (I guess) as a person
I’m sick of internet people calling for a guillotine whenever someone makes a mistake even once
yeah, its part of why the internet sucks, you make some bad decisions, fall for some stupid propaganda or listen to the wrong person, and you’re branded forever. People make bad decisions. It happens.
gods forbid someone make a mistake and then take a step back to reexamine their lives to try and be a better person.
The person I was responding to said
My point was not necessarily that he needs to be excommunicated from humanity, but that they might want to reconsider whether him “being the same guy all this years” is a good thing
(I do not actually give a single shit about Pewdiepie in any fashion positive or negative)
You mean Here on fedi?