Leaders seek a diplomatic solution despite US president’s threat of ‘a very bad future’ for NATO unless it provides warships

European countries have ruled out sending warships to the strait of Hormuz, despite threats from Donald Trump that NATO faces “a very bad future” if members fail to help reopen the vital waterway.

Germany ruled out participation in any military activity, including efforts to reopen the strait. “There was never a joint decision on whether to intervene. That is why the question of how Germany might contribute militarily does not arise. We will not do so,” the chancellor, Friedrich Merz, said.

He added: “This Iranian regime must come to an end,” but that “based on all the experience we have gained in previous years and decades, bombing it into submission is, in all likelihood, not the right approach.”

  • DarkFuture@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    14
    ·
    2 days ago

    Hands down the dumbest president in the history of the United States of America.

    No wonder conservatives identify with him.

  • Echo Dot@feddit.uk
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    5
    ·
    2 days ago

    I’ve got this really clever strategy that will decisively end the war.

    What’s great is that it’s a perfect strategy that can be employed in a wide variety of situations involving any American in any situation.

    The Americans could kindly fuck off.

    Doesn’t work with Germans unfortunately. They have a towel.

  • TwilitSky@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    49
    ·
    3 days ago

    Why would anyone want to help him? He threatened them for no reason and has made life difficult for them every chance he’s gotten while in office. Meanwhile, he’s escalating a BONKERS-level war with Iran which is in NO ONE’S interest.

    • takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      15
      ·
      3 days ago

      But even if he didn’t do any of that, what he is asking is for the Western nations to jump into a difficult war that likely will end up in failure.

      A war where he still did not provide a clear reason why it was started, and war that wasn’t even approved by the useless Congress.

      • village604@adultswim.fan
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        2 days ago

        Congress hasn’t been required to approve wars for a while now. Unfortunately, what he’s doing is legally within his presidential powers (for 60 days then it goes to Congress)

        But even then, Congress already shot down the attempt to stop it, so it basically has their approval.

        • njm1314@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          2
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          2 days ago

          Congress hasn’t declared war for a while now, true. However it’s pretty rare for them not to be involved in giving their approval at all though.

          • village604@adultswim.fan
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            2 days ago

            They tacitly gave their approval by not passing the bill that would have stopped it, so in this case it’s no different than any of the other bogus middle east wars.

      • Echo Dot@feddit.uk
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        2 days ago

        European doesn’t want to get embroiled in another Afghanistan. That was another war that lasted forever and was based on a lie by a US president.

        This time they’re not even basing the war and a lie, they’re just not provide any reason.

        • takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          19 hours ago

          Because this time he got a “business deal” from Netanyahu and a promise that he can make as much as he wants from Iranian oil. Notice how careful he is to not damage the current infrastructure.

          The reason is there, but it is only benefitting him personally.

  • Mulligrubs@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    5
    ·
    2 days ago

    January “Fuck you, fuck your country, you are shit and your mother is a whore”

    March “Hey, can you help us out? Yeah, haha, it’s been a while. Well, you see, Iran started another war and you have a Navy, right? So… hello? Hello?”

  • TrickDacy@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    15
    ·
    3 days ago

    Trump is the worst president in American history and I don’t think it’s close anymore. And he has years to fucking go.

      • village604@adultswim.fan
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        7
        ·
        2 days ago

        Kissinger was nearly 100…

        Evil people seem to live longer out of spite, and he has access to some of the best medical care in the world.

        • Echo Dot@feddit.uk
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          3
          ·
          2 days ago

          Yes but he also main lines McDonald’s burgers into his veins so I think it evens out.

          I honestly think it’s the bronzer holding him together. If he ever had to have a shower he would just dissolve.

      • DarkFuture@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        ·
        2 days ago

        Yes, he does.

        Unless a hero steps up or the universe decides it’s his time.

        Cuz Dems ain’t taking enough of the Senate to impeach and remove and Republicans lack the spine required to do it.

  • Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    8
    ·
    edit-2
    2 days ago

    Kick out America’s and Israel’s embassadors => problem solved.

    I bet the vast majority of my countrymen would be fine with that if it means gas and fuel prices going back down. Even if that’s not yet the case, I bet it will be the case if this shit continues for another 2 or 3 months.

    Only the politicians around here in the pay of or blackmailed by America and/or Israel put having those embassadors here above the welfare of the population.

    • leaf_skeleton@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      2 days ago

      I wish they could be thrown out, but I don’t think that’s possible right now. Europe is still way too reliant on the US to do anything like that, imo.

  • Buffalox@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    21
    ·
    3 days ago

    I hope Trump suffers before he dies.
    It’s a horrible thing to think that way, and I didn’t use to do that for anybody 9 years ago.
    But Trump is so horrible, and has caused so much pain, that he deserves Biblical hell.
    Trump is beyond evil, you can be 100 times better than Trump and still be evil. Trump is on the level of Hitler and Stalin.
    In history we very rarely see leaders act this evil, even when they are evil. Netanyahu is his equal, and is also expressing sadistic tendencies and complete immorality in his polices.

    But what is worse, is that those two are elected in democratic countries. Meaning that they are not the real problem, but “just” symptoms of sick societies.
    Unfortunately USA has a long line of politicians in the republican party to carry on with what Trump is doing, that are equally without conscience. Maybe they are more intelligent, and maybe that will make them even more dangerous, or maybe it will make them hold back a bit, because they know being evil can make you unpopular.

    Yes Iran was a problem, but they were not thee problem. On a global scale that is Trump, Putin and Netanyahu. Or rather USA, Russia and Israel. Because the problem is not only in the top.

    • balsoft@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      2 days ago

      Hey, Stalin (for all his many flaws and awful decisions) industrialized the country and lead the war to victory over nazism.

      Trump is worse, he has literally zero redeeming achievements.

      • Buffalox@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        1 day ago

        As much as I hate giving Stalin credit for anything, because his achievements were extremely wasteful and built on enormous suffering, I suppose he at least achieved something.

    • village604@adultswim.fan
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      4
      ·
      2 days ago

      I really hope he has a stroke and gets locked-in syndrome for a decade before he dies.

      I can’t think of any worse punishment for a narcissist than to be aware of what’s going on but be unable to communicate and make themselves the center of attention. It would be literal hell for him, wasting away in oblivion. You know no one would ever visit him.

    • takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      4
      ·
      3 days ago

      Regarding Republicans they are literally scared of him, if you haven’t seen it look up Rubio wearing oversized shoes because trump gifted it to him.

      Nobody would do that, they would just "forget"to wear them, or if they didn’t want the person feel bad maybe even buy same ones with right size (it is not like they don’t have money)

      This was done to humiliate him.

      I think he has holding a kompromat on every one of the people in his cabinet.

  • Puddinghelmet@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    4
    ·
    edit-2
    2 days ago

    Trump didn’t even check in with allies before making the decision to attack so fack you and your war donald he actually made the situation worse lmao

    • fizzle@quokk.au
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      13
      ·
      3 days ago

      Exactly.

      “We need some ships to sail around and find out where the mines are. Some of you will explode, but thats what happens in war. Additionally, ill need to throw you under the bus when I make stupid decisions making a bad situation worse, because im incapable of taking responsibility for anything at all ever. Finally, I will tariff the fuck out of you because im a huge asshole and everyone pays attention to me when i tariff things.”

  • Destide@feddit.uk
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    9
    ·
    3 days ago

    Don’t we have to stand on our own two feet and be more accountable? That’s what you said right?