yea fortunately there are plenty of other delicious things that don’t have a physiology that guarantees they have pretty much the same conscious experience as me
There’s a difference between not resenting and desiring. This is gonna sound crazy but I have actually taken a walk in the Savannah and was arguably close to being eaten by cheetahs.
More relevantly to your point though, I don’t really resent, for example, the people that inflicted trauma upon me in my youth. I don’t know what their life experience was and for all I know I could have done the same in their shoes. I don’t want to see these people and want nothing to do with them but resent them? Not really. Was them harming me but in a different world who knows, you know?
I think the same applies to any kind of infliction of suffering. Like, you don’t have to want or enjoy the suffering or even like the perpetrators one bit to be able to understand / forgive them for what they did.
I don’t expect you to agree. Just wanted to share my perspective. If you’d like to share yours I’d be more than happy to read you.
which… makes you feel justified in perpetuating suffering too? what? i sympathise for any trauma people might have inflicted on you in the past but i don’t know what this has to do with meat eating or plant sentience or any of the metaphysics of harm reduction or whatever else
It makes me feel justified to perpetrate the Inevitable suffering that is a side product of my existence, yes. Everything (that has a consciousness like our own if you want) causes something else to suffer by merely existing. The money you have in your wallet right now is money that other people don’t have. Biology works the same way.
we don’t choose to be born, but pretending that we don’t have the choice to minimise the suffering we cause (whether we have a duty to is another question entirely) is just cynical nihilist sophistry
going for a walk is not the same as going for a walk and kicking everyone you see along the way in the shins, this is basically absolving yourself (and everyone) of any heinous things they do because, well, life sucks anyway, right? thousands of years of social contract and moral philosophy deboonked with this one weird trick
I’m not pretending we don’t have a choice and not equating less harm = more harm. I’m just saying a lot of it is inevitable. Anything we gain, someone else didn’t, so we have to make decisions based on how much we want stuff vs how much getting it harms others.
Have you considered how delicious cows are though?
yea fortunately there are plenty of other delicious things that don’t have a physiology that guarantees they have pretty much the same conscious experience as me
Idk I woudn’t resent something if it ate me, especially if I was delicious and they were grateful for my sacrifice.
have you considered going for a long walk in the savannah, you could test that pretty quick
There’s a difference between not resenting and desiring. This is gonna sound crazy but I have actually taken a walk in the Savannah and was arguably close to being eaten by cheetahs.
More relevantly to your point though, I don’t really resent, for example, the people that inflicted trauma upon me in my youth. I don’t know what their life experience was and for all I know I could have done the same in their shoes. I don’t want to see these people and want nothing to do with them but resent them? Not really. Was them harming me but in a different world who knows, you know?
I think the same applies to any kind of infliction of suffering. Like, you don’t have to want or enjoy the suffering or even like the perpetrators one bit to be able to understand / forgive them for what they did.
I don’t expect you to agree. Just wanted to share my perspective. If you’d like to share yours I’d be more than happy to read you.
which… makes you feel justified in perpetuating suffering too? what? i sympathise for any trauma people might have inflicted on you in the past but i don’t know what this has to do with meat eating or plant sentience or any of the metaphysics of harm reduction or whatever else
It makes me feel justified to perpetrate the Inevitable suffering that is a side product of my existence, yes. Everything (that has a consciousness like our own if you want) causes something else to suffer by merely existing. The money you have in your wallet right now is money that other people don’t have. Biology works the same way.
we don’t choose to be born, but pretending that we don’t have the choice to minimise the suffering we cause (whether we have a duty to is another question entirely) is just cynical nihilist sophistry
going for a walk is not the same as going for a walk and kicking everyone you see along the way in the shins, this is basically absolving yourself (and everyone) of any heinous things they do because, well, life sucks anyway, right? thousands of years of social contract and moral philosophy deboonked with this one weird trick
I’m not pretending we don’t have a choice and not equating less harm = more harm. I’m just saying a lot of it is inevitable. Anything we gain, someone else didn’t, so we have to make decisions based on how much we want stuff vs how much getting it harms others.
Anyway, sorry if i offended you. Take care.