Unfortunate you felt the need to change their words and ridicule them instead of engaging with their actual point.
They didn’t say they were “fine with Nazis in power.” They argued the system itself is broken; when the choice is between fascists and those who enable them, you’re not living in a functioning democracy. Voting can’t fix a game that’s already rigged.
Mocking them just avoids the harder conversation but you do you boo.
Because they had no point and deserve to be ridiculed. That thought process is precisely what got us here, and they decide to continue to double down.
Of course Gaza would still be a humanitarian nightmare, but none of the other things happening right now would have been happening if Harris won, and if you can’t see that then you just should never vote again period.
Genocide. The word is genocide. A genocide that doesn’t just spring up out of nowhere and kind of “happens”, but is actively being committed by Israel and the United States since October 8th 2023.
You’ve perfectly illustrated the original point. You’re essentially arguing: ‘This side is objectively less bad, so you must support them, and if you don’t, you’re the problem.’But that’s the very enablement they were talking about.
The argument isn’t that “Harris vs. Trump is the same.” It’s that a system which only offers a ‘lesser evil’ every four years, while tolerating the growth of fascism and protecting oligarchic interests the rest of the time, is fundamentally broken. Demanding endless, un-critical support for the ‘lesser evil’ is what allows the whole cycle to continue. You’re proving their despair correct by saying the only permissible choice is to play a rigged game.
Thanks for the straw man and for tirelessly advocating that people don’t vote. It definitely helps and is definitely not a Nazi thing to do, it’s super LEFTIST.
Your straw man is a misread. The critique isn’t “don’t vote!” It’s that voting in a rigged system isn’t enough.
The “lesser evil” argument you defended is exactly what enables the cycle. Fascism grows when politics is reduced to choosing between harm and complicity. For what it’s worth me pointing that out isn’t pro-Nazi, it’s the basic leftist critique of a broken system. Real change requires power built outside it, not just a ballot every four years.
You’re the only one “flooding” my inbox and you’re free to stop anytime.
But let’s be clear: you’re not arguing against a point anymore, you’re just policing packaging. If you reduce “the system is broken and voting isn’t enough” to “DEMOCRAT EVIL,” that’s a failure of your own comprehension not the message or mine. When you’re ready to engage with the substance instead of your own caricature, you know where to find the thread.
Until then, enjoy the view from that very high horse.
It’s weird that you are unwilling to see that Trump is worse than harris. It’s like the difference between losing a finger and losing a hand. Yes both are bad but surely you can see that one is worse?
It’s also weird that you would characterize the other comments so dishonestly. Like that’s not snark it’s just bullshit.
There are only 2 scenarios with these people. Either they are chaos agents and trying to cause division or they are purists that don’t understand nuance and refuse to understand how the world works.
The choice isn’t between voting and doing nothing. It’s between trusting a corrupted system and building power outside of it. Critiquing the system isn’t inaction, it’s the necessary first step toward meaningful action.
Still waiting on that quote where I told anyone not to vote. You won’t find it, because it doesn’t exist.
My point (which I’ve been consistent about) is; that voting alone isn’t enough, not that people shouldn’t do it. If you’ve got a quote that says otherwise, I’m happy to address it. Otherwise, this is just an (intentional?) misreading of the argument.
You say that like voting means “trusting the system” but that’s clearly extremely incorrect. voting means being connected to reality and giving enough of a shit to go do it.
Voting is an act. Trusting the system is a strategy. You can do one without the other.
But when you treat voting as the only proof of “giving a shit,” you’re doing exactly what my original point warns against: funneling all political energy into a structurally limited mechanism. Real power is built between elections, not just at the ballot box.
Not once have I said people shouldn’t vote. If that’s your takeaway, you’re either arguing in bad faith or you’ve fundamentally misunderstood the point.
The argument is straightforward: voting is necessary, but insufficient. Believing it’s the only meaningful political act is what keeps power concentrated and change out of reach. Criticizing the limits of electoralism ≠ telling people not to vote. It’s telling them not to stop there.
If you can’t (or won’t) engage with that distinction, then this conversation has nowhere left to go.
“I don’t particularly like the other guys, so in practice I’m fine with Nazi’s in power”
– smartest .ml user.
Unfortunate you felt the need to change their words and ridicule them instead of engaging with their actual point.
They didn’t say they were “fine with Nazis in power.” They argued the system itself is broken; when the choice is between fascists and those who enable them, you’re not living in a functioning democracy. Voting can’t fix a game that’s already rigged.
Mocking them just avoids the harder conversation but you do you boo.
Because they had no point and deserve to be ridiculed. That thought process is precisely what got us here, and they decide to continue to double down.
Of course Gaza would still be a humanitarian nightmare, but none of the other things happening right now would have been happening if Harris won, and if you can’t see that then you just should never vote again period.
Genocide. The word is genocide. A genocide that doesn’t just spring up out of nowhere and kind of “happens”, but is actively being committed by Israel and the United States since October 8th 2023.
You’ve perfectly illustrated the original point. You’re essentially arguing: ‘This side is objectively less bad, so you must support them, and if you don’t, you’re the problem.’But that’s the very enablement they were talking about.
The argument isn’t that “Harris vs. Trump is the same.” It’s that a system which only offers a ‘lesser evil’ every four years, while tolerating the growth of fascism and protecting oligarchic interests the rest of the time, is fundamentally broken. Demanding endless, un-critical support for the ‘lesser evil’ is what allows the whole cycle to continue. You’re proving their despair correct by saying the only permissible choice is to play a rigged game.
Thanks for the straw man and for tirelessly advocating that people don’t vote. It definitely helps and is definitely not a Nazi thing to do, it’s super LEFTIST.
Your straw man is a misread. The critique isn’t “don’t vote!” It’s that voting in a rigged system isn’t enough.
The “lesser evil” argument you defended is exactly what enables the cycle. Fascism grows when politics is reduced to choosing between harm and complicity. For what it’s worth me pointing that out isn’t pro-Nazi, it’s the basic leftist critique of a broken system. Real change requires power built outside it, not just a ballot every four years.
If that was the message, no one would be flooding your inbox. But it wasn’t. It was DEMOCRAT EVIL.
You’re the only one “flooding” my inbox and you’re free to stop anytime.
But let’s be clear: you’re not arguing against a point anymore, you’re just policing packaging. If you reduce “the system is broken and voting isn’t enough” to “DEMOCRAT EVIL,” that’s a failure of your own comprehension not the message or mine. When you’re ready to engage with the substance instead of your own caricature, you know where to find the thread.
Until then, enjoy the view from that very high horse.
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“the brown people would still be dying, but who cares”
– the regular Dem
It’s weird that you are unwilling to see that Trump is worse than harris. It’s like the difference between losing a finger and losing a hand. Yes both are bad but surely you can see that one is worse?
It’s also weird that you would characterize the other comments so dishonestly. Like that’s not snark it’s just bullshit.
There are only 2 scenarios with these people. Either they are chaos agents and trying to cause division or they are purists that don’t understand nuance and refuse to understand how the world works.
How is he worse?
Let me paraphrase, how are the Dems not fascists?
That’s not paraphrasing, thats an entirely different question.
Now who’s building a strawman.
They argued against doing anything to help And apparently so are you.
The choice isn’t between voting and doing nothing. It’s between trusting a corrupted system and building power outside of it. Critiquing the system isn’t inaction, it’s the necessary first step toward meaningful action.
Could building relations with other non-MAGA Americans be considered part of building power?
Also, could voting for the lesser evil buy you time to build said power?
Excellent questions, and the answer to both is yes.
And yet, here you are telling people not to vote.
Still waiting on that quote where I told anyone not to vote. You won’t find it, because it doesn’t exist.
My point (which I’ve been consistent about) is; that voting alone isn’t enough, not that people shouldn’t do it. If you’ve got a quote that says otherwise, I’m happy to address it. Otherwise, this is just an (intentional?) misreading of the argument.
You say that like voting means “trusting the system” but that’s clearly extremely incorrect. voting means being connected to reality and giving enough of a shit to go do it.
Voting is an act. Trusting the system is a strategy. You can do one without the other.
But when you treat voting as the only proof of “giving a shit,” you’re doing exactly what my original point warns against: funneling all political energy into a structurally limited mechanism. Real power is built between elections, not just at the ballot box.
You’re telling people not to vote or at minimum that they should not vote for Democrats. That speaks for itself.
Not once have I said people shouldn’t vote. If that’s your takeaway, you’re either arguing in bad faith or you’ve fundamentally misunderstood the point.
The argument is straightforward: voting is necessary, but insufficient. Believing it’s the only meaningful political act is what keeps power concentrated and change out of reach. Criticizing the limits of electoralism ≠ telling people not to vote. It’s telling them not to stop there.
If you can’t (or won’t) engage with that distinction, then this conversation has nowhere left to go.
That’s assuming the only way to help is to vote for the fascist enablers. And it isn’t! I feel like you’re not engaging the argument in good faith