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  • what if not stopping the IRGC ends up causing orders-of-magnitude more suffering and deaths?

    This is the logic of preemptive war, and it is blatantly illegal under the UN charter. This type of logic is very dangerous because it can justify any war without evidence.

    Would Hamas not be vastly worse than Israel if they had the same military power as Israel? ISIS?

    How could they possibly be worse than Israel, who is invading it’s neighbors, starting wars for territory, doing ethnic cleansing, and threatening to drop nukes?

    I agree that I do not want to see a Hamas government, and an ISIS government would be horrific, but history shows these type of groups form as a direct result of imperial violence.

    Israel funded Hamas and killed it’s more moderate competitors. Hamas’ early leaders like Ahmed Yassin and Abdel Aziz al-Rantisi were scholars and academics, serious people interested in peace. Israel killed them and their families, and their successors, over and over until you end up with a violent, uneducated leader like Yahya Sinwar.

    The US acted similarly when we meddled in the Syrian civil war, giving weapons and money to ISIS.

    Shouldn’t intent count to prevent access to biological and nuclear weapons?

    I don’t know how this would work at all. How do you measure intent? Does the US have good intent with its nuclear arsenal? Russia? Pakistan?

    I think your question has 2 logical conclusions:

    1. There is no possible ‘good intent’ for nuclear weapons, they are horrible devices made to kill millions of people.
    2. The intent of nuclear programs is not offensive, but defensive. Recent history shows that nuclear powers live in relative peace, whereas non-nuclear powers get invaded and bullied. Look at what happened to Ukraine after they gave up their nukes.

  • Why does desire matter?

    I have a desire to kill billionaires. Does that matter? Should I be tried for murder? No, because I’m not actually going to kill anyone.

    Putting violent desire on the same moral plane as actual murder victims is a silly thing to do.

    Do you think that if the socioeconomic positions were reversed, the current Iranian regime would have been any better than the US, or Israel?

    In this hypothetical the details really matter, but in general I think no, the current Iranian regime would not be better.

    I think a better hypothetical would be that, if the US never did a coup in Iran and overthrow their democratically elected government, and the socioeconomic positions were reversed, would Iran be better then? I think yes.








  • Yes, I was never attempting to steelman OP’s argument. I was pointing out the flaws of the argument as it is given.

    Steelmanning is a tool that is helpful in many situations, but that does not mean it is useful in every situation. Perhaps there is an ideal version of OP’s argument, a steelman, that I would agree with. But the actual argument that OP laid out is not ideal, it is hypocritical, and I am pointing that out.

    A student who gets a poor grade on a paper does not get to go to the professor and ask them to “steelman” their argument for a better grade. The paper is judged as it is written.




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    Did you like it when he bombed hospitals?

    Did you like it when he promised to pull out, but instead surged troops?

    Did you like it when he supported the rise of ISIS in Syria?

    Did you like it when he betrayed the Kurds?

    Did you like it when he abandoned Egypt’s Mubarek, leading to the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood?

    Did you like it when he expanded drone warfare, killing hundreds of innocent people?

    Yeah he’s better than trump/Republicans, but his failed policies have normalized the Bush-era crimes and have enabled the Trump-era crimes.

    Whitewashing Obama’s disgusting, bloodstained legacy only serves to further degrade our national morality and enable the worst excesses of American fascism.






  • By 1970, it was fully criminalized nationally esp. because of the whole drug culture of the late 60’s and the Vietnam anti-war protest movement.

    “You want to know what this was really all about?

    The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and Black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or Black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and Blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”

    -John Ehrlichman, President Richard Nixon’s domestic policy chief