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  • Many people think tribes are primitive and warlike, and that’s where the definition of tribalism you’re using comes from.

    Maybe for you as an individual.

    Meanwhile, on Earth:

    I’ve spent most of my career in Sub-Saharan Africa, and use of the term “tribe” and related descriptors is commonly used in regular news headlines for things like tribal leaders (also called traditional leaders when they’re less tied to a specific ethnic group) and tribal conflicts - what academics would call “inter-ethnic conflicts” as well. Tribe literally means a distinct ethnic group with distinct cultural components. Example 1, example 2, example 3. It’s in common use today meaning the thing it always meant. It’s not archaic or disused or so loaded with racist baggage that is’ unusable any more than other alt-right abused terms like how “Globalist” actually means “Jews” to them, or “Traditional” meaning anti-LGBTQI+.

    Another term, “tribal lands,” is more common term in the US to describe Native American lands (typically reservations, which are jails without walls for individual ethnic groups IMO). Not only perfectly valid, but it’s a term Native Americans use to describe themselves, as they are isolated and organized in their forced apartheid system by ethnic groups.

    I had a colleague object to the word “indigenous” for similar reasons as you’re objecting to “tribe.” But for her it was personal. She felt it was pejorative as it was used as such by colonial oppressors, as opposed to “local.” I get that, but that’s also a widely used term. That was personal preference and how she thought everyone should speak more positively about themselves, as she had noticed little use of the term in the UK to describe, for example, locally made cheddar. But she was also conservative AF, so who knows how that will hit for you.

    So, I will say sorry that a word you don’t understand or use correctly gives you feels that may have nothing to do with you. But also, the word “tribalism” is a valid, modern word that is perfectly acceptable even in academia. Tribalism isn’t even fully negative, but simply describes a loyalty to ethnic or ethno-cultural ties. Which is exactly how I used it.


  • Yes, but “civilizationist” is a form of tribalism, isn’t it? It’s about ethnically similar people promoting or only tolerating their narrow definition of culture. Sure, once you add the cultural history of slavery and Jim Crow, then you get historical context they lean on to say “see? it worked, didn’t it?!” My racist family member would fall into this category, and while he thinks he knows what “Western Civilization” means, it’s his delusional imagined version.

    Honest question, is this a subjective dividing line between us that is opinion? Or is there research or something that defines the two in a way where it’s a clear differentiation? If there is, I’m happy to be educated on the nuance and not keep being wrong.


  • Not necessarily. It’s not about the boom factor alone - hydrogen is a small atom, and so under pressure, most commonly used materials are permeable to it. It leaks through every material. It really takes something as solid as steel pipes for hydrogen atoms to not work their way through and escape. So while hydrogen would be cheaper to produce at scale, it’s also constantly leaking out of any container.

    For wind turbines, static electricity and storms would be huge risks as well, so the application of a floating wind turbine would not be ideal.


  • It can be in pockets, and the problem is when they get organized, they get emboldened enough to make their thoughts known. Especially in rural areas, people will have latent racists tendencies and go their whole lives without acting on it or mentioning it other than with other racist assholes. You can spend your whole life with Uncle Ricky around, and then one day when you’re 30, you find out Uncle Ricky has stored every racist idea ever put online in his head as “facts,” and is 100% in agreement with it all. But he would likely never go the extra step and join a KKK rally or get a swastika tattoo unless a small group of peers really pushed him to do that. White supremacist ideology doesn’t require you to have joined your local KKK chapter or biker gang unless you’re already predisposed to being an active asshole in life already, and that’s the specific way you decide to spend your time. Some people simply do crossfit.

    A lot of it is simply tribalism in action, prodded along by fear and polarizing stuff online, and a lack of exposure to external ideas during formative years.


  • For everyone trying to figure out how this would be enforced, it’s not about being proactively enforced. (and data collection is 99% of it)

    It’s about adding a double-tap “Well, these people also violated our age verification law, so they have to pay a fine,” added to any incident where it’s convenient to add this in. If a minor sends another minor a snap that would trigger CP laws, and one of the phones isn’t age verified correctly, fine to the parents and hands up in the air “We tried!” A minor is involved in torrenting movies? “Look, kids using illegal OS! Fine to the parents!”

    This is how laws work across a lot of corrupt developing countries. There’s laws for everything, but they only get applied selectively as authorities find they fit the situation. It’s hard to actually be 100% above board and do everything legally because of a few little things meant to be impossible to actually do bureaucratically. So in every situation, any set of authorities start in with the endemic leverage of “Well, we have suspicion of you selling ketamine out of your apartment. Did you do age verification on your laptop? No? Then we can seize that as a crime and see what’s on there. OR you can give up your supplier.”



  • It’s really not that strategic. It’s that ignorant people don’t see the value in education. So school boards get filled with loud asshole people who barely made it out of high school, shouting at each other “muh kids don’t need tuh know how anything works, cuz I don no how nutn works an I’m OK!”

    Undereducated people rarely act in their best interests, but they act all the time because they’re filled with fear and unable to rationalize or plan their way out of it. It’s a spiral, not a strategy.

    All this does is return to the old ways of private schools operating as class-based-Jim Crow. Sort of sad, we had 2 or 3 generations at most that really benefited from American public schooling before it all wobbled apart from second and third-order effects.


  • I can think of a dozen ways around that, and I’m sure a competent lawyer could find a million more.

    What might work better, and something that Americans can wrap their head around, is tax implications around ownership base for publicly owned companies, and every company over $1 million in non-asset value or 50 employees becomes publicly owned. This would only be around 6-7% of companies in the United States - 96% of American companies are smaller than 50 people.

    A good example is the Green Bay Packers, which is a fan-owned non-profit, and fans are the shareholders. Americans can comprehend fractional ownership like that. So you start with the lowest tax implications for modest profits per year as long as no individual holds more than 2% of stocks, and tax incentives to operate as a non-profit. So two potentially different tracks for a company to operate which is simply about employing people and doing a job well, with worker ownership fundamental to the company itself.

    Then, once you get into Succession-style stock grabbing BS, taxes quickly skyrocket as the company grows. Taxes go up for the whole company if an individual owns more than 2%, 5%, 10%, etc. Once an individual is holding 51% of a company, the company gets taxed at a high rate proportionally to profits, (worker median salary-worker mean salary), and number of workers. So small and medium-sized companies don’t get trashed and are incentivized to pay people better, and hire more people, before laying people off simply to make money. Then the incentives structure would grow proportionally for large companies where factors like CEO pay and CEO stock ownership or stick dividends are what trigger taxes.

    I’m sure competent lawyers would also also find ways to loophole that structure, but the for-profit-only-at-all-costs business model is not sustainable or even all that beneficial anymore other than for TV drama.