• MushuChupacabra@piefed.worldBanned from community
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    Hmm, I wonder what would be more effective in driving voter turnout: Banishing certain memes on an online space with about 45,000 monthly active users, or Democrats making substantive changes to demonstrate that this cycle won’t simply repeat yet again?

    So you want to drive home the idea that nothing changes, and that is how you want to contribute to the voter suppression campaign.

    I predict that you will lean even harder into your efforts.

    There is nothing more urgent than toppling the Trump regime. But go on, keep up the chatter that tends to reduce voter turnout.

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      No, I don’t want to drive home the idea that nothing changes, I want to change things, while you want to maintain the material conditions that led to the rise of this regime.

      Best of luck driving voter turnout with that hogwash.

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        No, I don’t want to drive home the idea that nothing changes, I want to change things, while you want to maintain the material conditions that led to the rise of this regime.

        Best of luck driving voter turnout with that hogwash.

        Absolutely nothing is more urgent than ending the Trump regime.

        Absolutely all of your rhetoric will keep, and can be cranked out after the elections are over.

        Any mooing that you care to offer in terms of what you think should be done, does not require voter suppression rhetoric.

        It really is that simple. Behave in a manner that helps Trump, or behave in a manner that helps dump Trump.

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          If nothing is more urgent, and toppling the regime requires voter turnout, then it would stand to reason that perhaps encouraging voter turnout is key? That seems self-evident to me. And the Democrats (and you) ain’t gonna get it done by offering the same ol’ same ol’ that failed to generate turnout for Harris.

          On the other hand, people could barely wait to vote for Mamdani.

          Maybe there’s a lesson there.

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          Getting rid of trump will change absolutely nothing. Liberals that talk like this act like changing a cog in the machine will change how the machine operates. Trump is a byproduct of 50 years of neoliberal politics , they need to be protesting the system that enables someone like Trump to rise, otherwise, the version you get of him next time will be 10 times worse than this one. Which is what leftist told liberals back in 2016 would happen if you allowed Trump to win his first term, And again in 2020 when we warned that the second term of trump would be 10 times worse than his first when you nominated a neoliberal old white guy that nobody wanted

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          lol at quoting the entire comment of what you’re replying to multiple times. I feel like you’re just making their point more valid by saying it for them.

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          Absolutely nothing is more urgent than ending the Trump regime.

          And this proves you’re blue MAGA. It’s all just a sports game to you.

          You want Trump out just for the sake of having Trump out. There’s no plan beyond that. There’s no accountability beyond that. It’s all just “get their guy out and my guy in.” Your goal isn’t to exact certain policy goals, as otherwise that would be your number one priority. Personally, if Trump pulled a reverse Fetterman tomorrow, had a stroke, and suddenly became progressive, I wouldn’t want him out of office. Getting him out is a means to an end, not an end in itself.

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              You have no actual plans or rebuttals aside from “orange man bad”. You shame those who criticize the outcomes (or lack thereof) of liberals who wield power from this insanity. Trump alone is not fascism and his death or removal from office alone will not fix the conditions that allowed him and his sick depraved sycophants from getting into power in the first place.

              I expect nothing of value back as a response. I hope you screech more about the concentration camps while simultaneously sucking on the boots of liberals who helped quietly build them. I hope you tell me to vote for more fettermans and sinemas who gleefully kneecap our progress while pointing at the over-the-top style of the GOP they act as a ratchet for. I hope you tell me to be thankful the boiling pot of water will only go up 1 degree instead of 5, and that making it go down in temperature is wishful thinking. I need to know that the “sane” folks like you have it all figured out and that’s why my entire life has been American decline and end-stage capitalist hell. Just keep doing what we’ve been doing and it will be fine.

              I’m trans, have trans friends, have immigrant friends, and date an immigrant trans woman I am desperately trying to protect. I hope that you, like so many liberals before you, tell me to “enjoy the camps”. Show me those true colors.

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      Democrats doing nothing to improve the material conditions of the working class is what keeps voters away. They never offer something to vote for, only against. If they offer no reason to support them they don’t deserve support

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        Democrats doing nothing to improve the material conditions of the working class is what keeps voters away. They never offer something to vote for, only against. If they offer no reason to support them they don’t deserve support

        Cool.

        We’ll just go ahead and mark you down as being in favor of keeping Trump in power.

        Because that is absolutely what following your guidance would do.

        Nice work champ.

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            You’re shooting the messenger here.

            You’re not single-minded enough for the situation at hand, which requires the removal of Trump from office.

            Zero rhetoric equivocating the parties should be tolerated.

            If there’s room for improvement on the Democrats side, find a way to say so without invoking Or Nothing Will Ever Change Language.

            Concentration Camps.

            Grasp the fucking urgency, and shift your messaging to match it.

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              Do you think history is a series of discrete events with no relationship to what has come before?

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                The US education system teaches, on behalf of the government, that every event is self contained and compartmentalized with no connection to future or past events. It distracts from incremental fascism. Much the way they whine about Putin and what he’s done without acknowledging it was the US, Bill Clinton and his government, interfering in Russian elections and getting Boris Yeltsin reelected who nominated Putin to proceed him. Or how Larry Ellison now owns a majority chunk of US entertainment and news which is only possible because of Bill Clinton telecom reform act.

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          It’s liberals that keep people like Trump in power, it’s liberals that put people like Trump into power by never addressing those material conditions. Democrats got the black vote in the '60s because they improved the material conditions of the black community. Now they’ve done nothing but abandoned them along with everyone else from the non-white working class