• Turgid Sturgeon@lemmy.world
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    The “end times” have been coming for 2,000 years now. You’d think after the first 500 or so they would have started reevaluating their prophecies… But religion is a helluva drug.

  • HugeNerd@lemmy.ca
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    Religion is a mental illness. Not adjacent, similar to, nearby, but full-on delusion.

    And also by far the greatest threat humanity is facing.

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      …leads to dangerous behaviours, feelings of invincibility, superiority, delusions…and worst of all: it’s contagious and spreads through speech and culture.

  • KulunkelBoom@lemmus.org
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    Knowing there are no gods, no heavens or hells or angels or demons or devils or purgatories… knowing that, and knowing that anything written about gods (dogma) is made up nonense dreamed up in the minds of human monkeys, and knowing the people who profess gods the loudest are raking in money from the people who believe in things that don’t exist…

    I’m pretty sure all that about “the end of days” is just more religious claptrap.

    {sigh} I wish those people, “the believers”, didn’t have 2nd or 3rd rate brains. It would be so much better for all of us if they could think.

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      I mean…many great thinkers in history (Locke, Newton, Rosseau, Voltaire, Smith, PS even Darwin was agnostic, but still theist) did believe in god (maybe it was just a cultural thing, since they could not disprove it), but that did not cloud their judgement of what is true and what is moral…so even they advocated for freedom of religion.

      This could also have been because the memory of the european wars of religion (30 years war) was fresh in public memory, like the world wars are in ours.

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        Of course god has been big throughout history. Half the population (or more) of any country at any time in history are ignorant - incapable of reading (and comprehension), writing or simple math (JUST like America right now). “God” loves him some ignorant human monkeys because they do what they’re told - usually to give god money or godlike places to live.

        Religion and gods are crutches used by people who do not take responsibility for what they do… it’s much easier to say “god told me to do this” than it is to intelligently justify murdering people for god, or stealing land for god, or even just being a general asshole “as long as god is okay with it”.

        The people running the world right now ALL know there is no god - and yet… notice how they profess and use “their god” to shape the minds of the idiots.

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          Yes, it is used an instrument of control by callous leaders and to enforce conformity…I was just saying that even intelligent people can believe in it (like they can in modern conspiracy theories), even if it is just a basic requisite of belonging to your community. Unlike Spinoza and Galileo, who got excommunicated for being too public with their free thinking.

          PS: same for Mu’tazilism, it failed because it forced rationalism on people…whereas St. Augustine tried a more conciliatory approach.

  • BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world
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    I love running into these people. Hell isn’t scriptural and it’s easy to bring the receipts. They are cultists, so you won’t change their mind, but they will never forget you or how you knew their fake religion better than they did. I always hope that a seed planted in their diseased minds eventually sprouts, but it’s still fun to give them a solid intellectual wallop.

    • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      I grew up in it, and I love when someone realizes that I know more about their bullshit religion than they do.

    • Mulligrubs@lemmy.world
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      Hell is scriptural, according to the scriptures…

      Unless you’re referring to the name “Hell” of course, which is not in the Bible.

      A place of burning and suffering for all time? Definitely scriptural. There will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth, where the worm dyeth not.

      I’m not a Christian, but I do have years upon years upon years upon years of Bible studies.

      Bring those receipts! The garbage dump explanation will not suffice (Gehenna)

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        There is no god. Also, no devil. No heaven, no hell, no angels, no demons.

        You can also have years of flat Earth studies, and every other religion that will claim anything as well.

        It’s you who have to provide the receipts.

        Can your god regrow a single fingertip? Deflect a single .22LR round? Just by 0.5mm?

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          You misunderstand, it’s not my God, I don’t have one at the moment, but I am accepting applications.

          My “receipts” are their claims, collected in the King James Bible (one of many interpretations; not even a complete collection of claims really). I’m able to show what they claim to be true, not the actual truth itself.

          I was responding to someone who said they had receipts for their claims (that Hell isn’t scriptural), why would I need to provide any? My receipt is the KJV, which is scriptural.

          I’m not making the assertion, friend, but I am responding to an assertion.

  • Jaysyn@lemmy.world
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    And they’ll be wrong this time, like the last 700 in my lifetime.

    Fucking death cult for morons.

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    People who believe in prophesied apocalyptic events should not be in positions of power, because they have a tendency to try to make those prophesies self-fulfilling.

    We need separation of church and state, but we also need ways to establish an expectation that religious institutions will at least not promote beliefs that directly go against established science and reason.

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      Agreed. Now how do we go about achieving that when a good chunk of the country thinks not Christian=evil Christian killer?

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        I think that things like this can really only be approached with a long view in mind. Progressions and regressions are always happening. We’re going through a rather massive regression currently, but any belief system that refuses to change according to actual facts is basically at war with reality itself, and doomed to failure by their own inability to adapt.

        As far as an actual approach, it should be social allelopathy. There’s a good reason this christofascist regime is so bent on attacking education - it’s because their crazy beliefs have a tendency to dissolve under any scrutiny. The more we can provide robust, truthful education to all, the more it buffers people, if not necessarily to atheism, at least to religion that can coexist with common sense.

        And that goes for religious institutions to. Support what you believe. If you’re atheist, there are groups who organize around that.

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    They have been saying that long before I was born, and will say that long after I’m dead.

    Of course they are delighted, they’re deluded

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    Goddamn. Can’t this cult just Jonestown themselves already? Seems like the best case scenario for all parties involved.

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    I wouldn’t mind them having their Apocalypse, provided it is only shared amongst themselves. The rest of us have our own things to do.