Ukraine is making massive headway against Russia right now. Putin’s forces are crumbling all over the front line. So my question is this.

Should Ukraine keep hammering Russia even after they have regained all of their territory?

Because all Putin will do is lick his wounds and rebuild. (if his own people haven’t taken him out that is)

I’m not saying stepping onto Russian soil, but simply continue to destroy Russia’s military until they’re so broken they will never recover quickly. If at all.

What do you think?

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    26 days ago

    Sure, and i think its important to be sober about outcomes. But what I’m saying is you seem to have a team you are rooting for, which is contradictory with your first claim.

    Two questions to follow.

    One, do you (currently) believe Ukraine will lose this war?

    What would you need to see happen to update your belief that Ukraine will win this war?

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      26 days ago

      I believe Ukraine will lose this war. I do not believe Ukraine can win the war, it is too small and has lost too many soldiers. The only way to win the war with a Russian defeat is through a coalition of countries pooling their resources, or for a country stronger than Russia (which right now looks like only China and the USA) to engage directly. China won’t do that. I don’t believe the US will do it either.

      So what would have to happen for me to update my belief would be for other countries to form an alliance with Ukraine, amass materiel, and send their troops to the front line. Otherwise, the US and Western Europe will continue to feed only enough support to keep Russia threatened sufficiently that it will not choose to voluntarily end the war, and enough to keep the Ukrainians in this constant win-a-little-lose-a-little space that keeps them all fighting and not willing to negotiate a surrender.

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        26 days ago

        Do you think Russia continues their invasion if Putin dies?

        Otherwise, the US and Western Europe will continue to feed only enough support to keep Russia threatened sufficiently that it will not choose to voluntarily end the war, and enough to keep the Ukrainians in this constant win-a-little-lose-a-little space that keeps them a

        I think this is an accurate assessment of the past 3 years.

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          26 days ago

          Depends entirely on the circumstances of his death. His death alone? No. War is not primarily driven by an individual’s psychology. Not Russia/Ukraine. Not US/Venezuela, nor Iran, nor Syria, nor Somalia, nor Nigeria, nor Cuba.

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            26 days ago

            War is not primarily driven by an individual’s psychology.

            I don’t agree with that whatsoever. And I don’t think any one should. This is 100% a war coming directly from an explicit effort to transform the character of Russia.

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              26 days ago

              I think that it’s foolish to imagine that a complex and functioning bureaucracy can manage the third largest military in the world on the whims of single histrionic and delusional person for decades. That’s just not how the world works.

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                26 days ago

                What are you talking about? Entire regimes are held together through dictators for literally decades, and collapse almost instantaneously when the central figure is removed.

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                  26 days ago

                  Not as often in the modern era as you might think. We’re seeing it play out right now. It’s entirely possible to construct a bureaucracy that has the ability to function without dear leader, and in fact for a country, economy, and military as large as Russia’s, and with the experience of the USSR, one of the largest bureaucracies ever, it doesn’t appear at all as though Russia is held together by a mad man.

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                    Not as often in the modern era as you might think.

                    According to who? You and the mouse in your pocket? If Putin keels over, this whole thing is over in a week. Russia retreats entirely. If Zelenskyy croaks, same mechanism, opposite outcome. If Russia had been able to just “get” Zelenskyy, like was clearly their strategy, the war is over. They’ve won.

                    Bet me if you disagree. I want to know that you’ll stand by what you’ve said here.