Most DVDs produced will be rotted out within 20/30 years at most, only option is ripping what you can and migrate the collection to a new drive every decade, just make sure it’s a secondary drive and is of archival quality.
Burned disks, you’ll probably lose some over 30 years, i’ve lost a few in 20 years, most are still readable.
Poorly pressed disks, you might lose one here or there. I had a two where the aluminum was poorly sealed and flaked off the label side.
I have hundreds of DVD’s in the 20-30 year range and have never had a problem reading any of them that weren’t scratched save the couple that were lacking in top lacquer.
Rotted within 20/30 years? Honest question where did you get that ? I have 40 yo cds that are in pristine condition why would dvds be different?
The density of DVDs makes them less resilient than CDs, but CDs will also suffer the same fate. It’s going to be a very serious conservation problem. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disc_rot
Exactly, and I imagine blurays and DL dvds will suffer even quicker. However the quality of the plastic is also important, we started cheaping out and it’s noticable, look at VHS or Tapes as we moved forward the quality of them dropped.
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Why buy second hand DVDs to clutter your house when piracy exists? Either way the rights holders earn no money.
I sorted out my DVD’s Kept the collectors stuff, moved the cheaper but beloved stuff to binders and threw away the chaff i bought for a dollar a disk when blockbuster went under.
I can keep my entire original collection easily on 2 hard drives these days
The only reason I can think of is for the bonus content. When you pirate, you generally just get the movie/show and nothing else. No behind the scenes extras, no deleted scenes, no director’s commentary, etc. Even Blu Ray discs are often lacking in this category. DVDs were peak for special features.
Cus I like em
rip backups; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disc_rot
a few years ago I ripped all my cds/dvds to mp3/mp4 for easier uses. google music used to let you download everything as mp3. apple never did. for a while just uploading one song could get you the whole album. loaded on thumbdrives and distributed as gifts, backups for legal purposes.
No, they’re not.
The reason vinyl is vinyl is because the format requires very careful mastering of the source audio. The medium is physically sensitive to dynamic range, frequency response, and groove spacing. That is why people argue that vinyl can sound better than a compressed digital file like an MP3 or a mass-produced CD.
Nothing about a DVD inherently requires special mastering of the video. If anything, DVDs are simply inexpensive to buy on the secondhand market, whether from local sellers or platforms like eBay.
Given the current state of digital licensing and streaming volatility, I understand why people want physical media like discs in order to truly own their movies. That could explain a modest resurgence in DVD sales. But DVDs are not the next vinyl. Vinyl never went away; it remained in production.
And no one is putting HD video on DVD discs.
i also very rarely still see Video Games being sold in CD/DVDS.
thats only one franchise i know of though.
but imagine it was more common for video games too.When I bought my dream machine it was the first one without an optical drive… and then I bought an external blu-ray player/DVD burner.
Yeah because i want to own when i buy things
Yeah revolutionary concept
I’m happy to just pirate this shit.
I don’t buy band media anymore but I do go out to live shows and buy t-shirts and other merch like nobody’s business.
Record company middlemen and forever streaming can take a hike.
I do go out to live shows and buy t-shirts and other merch like nobody’s business.
Who doesn’t love a cool band t-shirt?
- My wife, just before she stole my band shirt
In fairness, she looks better in it
In fairness, I only bought the shirt in my size so that it would be comfortable for her to sleep in. I never actually planned to wear it. Shame that it’s a fucking Disturbed shirt and that I wanna set fire to it.
at least she didn’t grab the limp bizkit shirt that your older sister gave you in '02
If you don’t hold it, you don’t own it. Unless you take the DVD from them, you can’t remove their access to the movie stored on that disc.
DVD and especially blue ray still have DRM and license terms, which . means you still don’t own it. Only way to own media is to pirate it
license terms
In most places ownership laws make those licences unenforceable - not in the legal sense, but practically - hard to lock you out of a DVD.
Great option for those still politically opposed to pirating stuff.
Yeah, that’s a fair point.
Technically network connected blu ray players can be updated to region lock you out of your content.
So don’t connect them to the Internet
Yes, just being pedantic with a risk that people don’t think of.
I think the blu ray secret keys leaked so you can rip them anyways.
Normal blurays are easy to rip. The 4k ones need a drive with hacked firmware.
Yarrr
Sony had this bullshit on the ps3 which muted you playing certain sony media. Cinavia
Gross
Oh hell no.
That’s completely bullshit. I can’t hold any of the thousands of videos on my NAS, yet they can’t remove access to them.
Dvds are another form of pollution. We don’t need rotting plastic circles to store our videos on. Pirate your movies and own it for far longer than a DVD will be readable.
Hold in your hand = physical access.
NAS counts
You can’t hold your NAS? It actually weighs very slightly more with data on it.
DVD have already polluted and currently exist and are rotting, and need to be ripped to longer term storage, especially for media that is becoming lost and needs a custodian to host so it can be pirated online. A lot of things cannot because no one has it, but it still exists in physical form.
Some may be ok with a whatever resolution streaming service webrip but I want the original dvd HD remaster, before they re-remastered it with only a single layer disk instead of double, messing up the original faithful rerelease that was already anticipated during filming when the show was filmed in HD widescreen film, but originally released in SD for broadcast due to the time. Plus, you can’t webrip the “banned” episodes if they’re not available.
Blu Ray is where it’s at. Give me some actual quality bitrate baby.
And decent resolution: DVD is forever stuck at SD (480p MPEG). While Blu-ray can be UHD (4K HEVC).
I’ve always kinda thought about implementing a software and standard for 1080p av1 on DVD. Would be neat as a project, obviously no commercial use would exist.
Either way you can get some really impressive encodes out of av1, really neat tech.
Unless you get new DVD players to support AV1, just put the AV1 files on a data DVD…
No that’s the idea, it would be to make a piece of software which if thrown on a sbc with a DVD drive becomes a player.
Which really isn’t too far off of DVD and most bluray players.
Though I wouldn’t be shocked if the super cheap DVD players have some sorta all-in-one integrated asic for most of the job.
Would mostly be used by hobbiest making their own burned discs and small artists releasing stuff.
I mean if you control the software on the “player” you don’t really need a dedicated dvd format. Think about mp3 CDs, it never became a real format with specs and everything yet most CD players after a certain date supported them.
Think about mp3 CDs…
- …Or worse, ATRAC CDs, which thankfully also never caught on because had they caught on, given ATRAC is a proprietary Sony codec, they would’ve only been able to be played back on Sony CD players which supported the ATRAC codec.
Yeah but if you make it an open format other hobbyists could make their own hardware/software about it.
Mostly a fantasy medium, but if people start using it for art, then hey neat.
That sounds interesting! I’ve been using AV1 more and more (thanks to SVT-AV1-PSY/-HDR and devs pushing improvements to main). Also enjoying FHD animated AVIF (vs ancient GIF, although gif.ski helps). AV1 video is not as soft as it once was (esp at high bitrates with synthetic film grain), and combined with OPUS audio, it’s all wonderful.
It’s not even 480p, it’s 480i with a resolution of 720x480 regardless of whether the content is 4:3 or 16:9, the pixels get stretched one way or the other. That’s for NTSC discs, PAL discs have a higher 576i (720x576) resolution but the movie is sped up 4% cause it forces 25fps when it should be 24.
This is a good point. Even worse! Weird anamorphic? pixel aspect ratios (or maybe pan-and-scan crops? or hopefully that’s just VHS). With a bonus of interlacing! “The horror!” I haven’t ripped a DVD in ages due to video quality issues.
Oh all those full screen DVDs are in fact pan and scan just like VHS.
If you ever wanna play 4K BDs on PC, you’ll need a 4K-compatible drive that’s been hacked with LibreDrive though, otherwise you’re stuck using a dedicated set-top player for those.
1080p discs can at least be handled by libaacs and libbdplus /w the necessary files, and don’t necessarily need a hacked drive to play back.
It’s both for me. Some things are either not on BluRay, too rare and expensive, or the transfer on BluRay is actually worse. And besides, any BluRay player is a dvd player too.
Anyway, any physical collecting or pirating needs to encouraged because streaming is such a stupid model now.
We are forever fucked over lots of TV shows/movies that are caged within the stream services realm :/
I think part of it might be that DVDs are easier to find used or just cheaper new. GenZ isn’t really rolling in cash and in my area for example used stores rarely if ever carry Blu-ray.
People! Try Yt-dlp, when spotify decide to make Spotify Developer available again, then yt-dlp plugin integration with spotify, still, in anna’s archive i think they will make available if not already the hundreds of TBs of metadata and songs managed to get from Spotify so media preservation and ownership will also be in the digital space
FYI, Tidal is approximately the same price as Spotify and there are several tools floating around on GitHub which will allow you to download high quality flac files from that service.
qobuz too!
For families, Tidal is even cheaper. But it’s majority owned by that Twitter asshole Jack Dorsey. Just another fucking billionaire.
Lets also put “quitting your job” on there because thats what i see a lot of ppl not doing because they feel bad about it
3D printing your own guns
Just buy a normal fucking gun, this is America ffs there are more guns than people.
We’re not all Americans.
What are you, Swiss? Australian? Irish?
The same applies.
Planet is choked with guns. They’re everywhere and very easy to get. Absolutely no reason you need one that’s been churned out by a printer you got on Temu.
3D printed guns are being used by rebels in Myanmar. They are valid weapons capable of fighting in a war and far more powerful than anything I could legally get in my country.
I’d have no idea where to get a gun in Japan. I’d rather just 3D print one if things got bad enough.
That’s hilarious.I’ll 3d print that toy lmao
Yeah. 3D printing a gun is a great way to blow your hand off.
Don’t 3D printed guns have normal parts except for the slide and handle which are 3D printed?
Some people make their own barrels with electro chemical machining. But that’s usually for people who can’t get their hands on parts.
Oh awesome the memes are proliferating.
The future is self-hosted digital media. I’ve got no qualms with pirating media. But I am an advocate for buying digital media from artists directly.
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No, vinyl is still the new vinyl. Tons and tons of new vinyl on Bandcamp. And tapes!
Yes but vinyl’s resurgence is like a decade old now. People were actively abandoning DVD while stocking up on vinyl.
I totally get it. Kids missed out on everything good.
Too bad DVDs and CDs will quit being made soon, and disc rot sets in on most discs in 20 years. Luckily mine have survived. But make backups. Although that’s why “they (the rich)” want to drive up the price of HDDs so we can’t afford it, so we are tied to their cloud systems forever.
Good luck young people !
Too bad DVDs and CDs will quit being made soon
We’re still making vinyl records. What on earth makes you think we’re going to stop making DVDs?
Vinyl has hipster vibes and false audiophile claims. CDs and DVDs dont. They won’t be profitable in a few years and then bye bye factories. Just like vhs. I’d still be buying vhs takes if they made them but they dont. Same with CRTs.
They won’t be profitable in a few years
I just don’t know where you get these claims from
History. They don’t make vhs players or CRTs now do they? Even though they had huge benefits to modern (vhs, recordable and durable, CRT, durable, repairable, instantaneous response and perfect blacks) digital convenience trumps all for the majority population. Its also about control. You literally cannot buy a non smart TV any more (OK fine, digital signage, but you won’t get a remote) and some of them will not even function unless you connect them to WiFi. Hekk no.
They don’t make vhs players or CRTs now do they?
There’s an enormous inventory of New Old Stock and refurbished units that more than meet demand.
You literally cannot buy a non smart TV any more
That’s absolutely not true. The real limit on Dumb TVs is the size. Emerson and Westinghouse both make dumb TVs, but they cap out at 50".
Wrong, CRTs are getting very hard to find now and people smash them for fun. 10 years they’ll all be gone or many thousands of dollars.
Where did you find those TVs? I’d like to know!
CRTs are getting very hard to find now and people smash them for fun.
:-/
Surely you see the contradiction
Properly manufactured Audio CDs are actually quite resilient, obviously not so much to scratches, but out of all my 100+ CDs (I’d say half of which are older than 25 years) only one has disc rot and that one is a pressing made by PDO who’re known for their bad pressings that are prone to disc rot.
I don’t really store my CDs in a special way either.
The life span of CD/DVD is not on the printed media but on the media we make/made our backups on. Of my many spindles from back in 2k (some disks are almost 25 yrs old), so far maybe 5 disks have gone partially or completely unreadable, lucky I didn’t lose much. Baring scratches or other physical damage, the printed disks will last decades where my disks have outlasted prediction
CDs were so much better for my kids than any other digital player. Especially when they couldn’t read yet. It’s much easier to choose a CD and put it into a player than opening an app to search for something.
And gets them away from screens!! We don’t need more screens in today’s world.
I’ve used CDs with my kid for music, it works well for us too
that’s why “they (the rich)” want to drive up the price of HDDs so we can’t afford it, so we are tied to their cloud systems forever
That seems like a reach. Hanlon’s says they’re just buying HDDs for their Artificial Imbecile service.
Maybe, but its not surprising that it fits their agenda perfectly. Build the slop generator and make it impossible for the population to own their means of computing. Future computing will be a dumb terminal on bezos net, and you will be an ostracized weirdo for not using it.
Blu-rays are great, DVDs not so much unless it’s an old title that was never released in 1080p
Or classic 2d animation.
1080p simpsons vs 720p Simpsons look really close
*480
even then, many bluerays are just cheap upscales with no other changes. I made that mistake once with a boxset only to find that it was a very obvious DVD. this after I was roasted on reddit for complaining about that being a possibility and everyone angrily promised me that it was not that. it was that. I’m still bitter
DVDs are fine, but the subtitles look god-awful - and they’re bitmaps so there is no easy way to make them not suck
I think they’re bitmaps on Blu-rays as well. Just higher resolution.
Streaming tends to use text formats.
Blu ray has copy protection…
If you have a blu ray player it’s not really that much of a problem. And if you need a back up there’s still ways
So does DVD and can be bypassed just as easily these days
