• Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    4 days ago

    I’m all for it ending the power of the state. Destroying it is a different argument, power vacuums don’t end well and have never resulted in no state.

    I don’t want these things because I think it’s going to reduce suffering. For me it’s entirely about consent.

    Any idea that it will lead to some reduction or gain in anything in particular except personal freedom is conjecture.

    Also, I don’t base my ideas on the writings of long dead men nor suggest others do. If it’s not possible for one to travel their own path and make their own arguments based on first principles derived from their own experiences, then how can one argue anarchism is feasible.

    The only path forward I see is to forward use the mechanisms of the state to make the state impotent; irreversibly neutered.

    I have no interest in destabilizing things such that some power hungry asshole can come in and exploit the progress to is make things worse, which historical what has occurred each time.

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      4 days ago

      The state will never wither away, the masters tool will not destroy the masters house. It can only stop existing through revolutionary conflict. Power hungry arseholes already have come in and have been in for hundreds and thousands of years.

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        4 days ago

        If you believe that then what allows you to believe the masters will allow us to destroy it?

        What is your mechanism for tricking them or forcing them to give up power and never try again?

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          3 days ago

          I don’t expect them to allow us to, I expect it will take violent revolution and many deaths to gain it.

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            3 days ago

            Violent revolution will temporarily increase suffering.

            How to you intend to maintain it? What do you intend to put in place so they don’t violently take it control and how does that differ from what I have proposed?