One of the worst things about stuff like this is that it’s essentially accurate. There’s a long and well-documented history of veterans suffering crippling trauma from slaughtering people.
Obviously, the people being tortured and killed are, by far, the most victimized in this scenario. Still, the people being raised on propaganda and compelled by law to murder peaceful people are also being used and harmed.
I understand that this propaganda piece isn’t mostly about that. It’s about using suffering to exploit people’s sense of empathy into promoting an otherwise unconscionable geopolitical agenda.
This isn’t exclusive to Israel either. It’s a long-standing tradition of organized violence that’s at least thousands of years old. I don’t know what else to say about this phenomenon except that most of us probably agree that it needs to stop, and that whatever group is doing the most killing is most in the wrong. I regret that I don’t have a good solution. Historically, anything less than violent rebellion doesn’t work. Sometimes even that fails.
That’s not the point. Somebody can be perpetrator and victim at the same time. And justice would mean they get the proper treatment for both. Not a calculation and only the difference left after the subtraction.
Morally, no people? Realistically, I suppose it depends on how much propaganda and indoctrination they were exposed to allowing some shift of blame to the state. However, after killing one innocent person deliberately because “orders”, no amount of environmental cause is enough to remove all of the blame. They consciously chose to obey that order instead of disobeying.
Have you heard of the Milgram experiment? It takes an incredible amount of strength, that most people don’t have, to disobey orders from authority, even if you think the orders are immoral.
There is no such thing as an IDF member with enough humanity to warrant (caring about their) suffering or trauma; they are pieces of shit genocidal monsters. Even if you think they are compelled by law, the evidence will show that those “in” are for some reason unwilling to break that “law.” Which means they are complicit in the genocide.
Ignoring the fact that israel is not a real nation state anyway.
The mightiest tool of genociders is dehumanisation. It’s the fertilizer on which hate can thrive. As long as you think someone is a monster, it’s easier to justify atrocities against them.
One of the worst things about stuff like this is that it’s essentially accurate. There’s a long and well-documented history of veterans suffering crippling trauma from slaughtering people.
Obviously, the people being tortured and killed are, by far, the most victimized in this scenario. Still, the people being raised on propaganda and compelled by law to murder peaceful people are also being used and harmed.
I understand that this propaganda piece isn’t mostly about that. It’s about using suffering to exploit people’s sense of empathy into promoting an otherwise unconscionable geopolitical agenda.
This isn’t exclusive to Israel either. It’s a long-standing tradition of organized violence that’s at least thousands of years old. I don’t know what else to say about this phenomenon except that most of us probably agree that it needs to stop, and that whatever group is doing the most killing is most in the wrong. I regret that I don’t have a good solution. Historically, anything less than violent rebellion doesn’t work. Sometimes even that fails.
Fair and realistic. At which point can a person be blamed and disregarded for making the conscious decision of killing innocents though?
That’s not the point. Somebody can be perpetrator and victim at the same time. And justice would mean they get the proper treatment for both. Not a calculation and only the difference left after the subtraction.
Morally, no people? Realistically, I suppose it depends on how much propaganda and indoctrination they were exposed to allowing some shift of blame to the state. However, after killing one innocent person deliberately because “orders”, no amount of environmental cause is enough to remove all of the blame. They consciously chose to obey that order instead of disobeying.
Have you heard of the Milgram experiment? It takes an incredible amount of strength, that most people don’t have, to disobey orders from authority, even if you think the orders are immoral.
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There is no such thing as an IDF member with enough humanity to warrant (caring about their) suffering or trauma; they are pieces of shit genocidal monsters. Even if you think they are compelled by law, the evidence will show that those “in” are for some reason unwilling to break that “law.” Which means they are complicit in the genocide.
Ignoring the fact that israel is not a real nation state anyway.
The mightiest tool of genociders is dehumanisation. It’s the fertilizer on which hate can thrive. As long as you think someone is a monster, it’s easier to justify atrocities against them.
are you saying you are worried about atrocities against idf soldiers?