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Just a decade after a global backlash was triggered by Snowden reporting on mass domestic surveillance, the state-corporate dragnet is stronger and more invasive than ever.
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Don’t have to force surveillance on people. They’ll literally pay money for it.
It is fascinating to me that the FBI desperately wanting to pretend that they’re relevant and doing actual investigative work in the Guthrie case stupidly confirmed that corporations are not only spying on us all, but feeding the data into federal databases for access without a warrant or any meaningful oversight.
Y’all, it’s wild that so much of what your dumbass, Infowars-obsessed grandparents told you is literally true and provable now.
A few people have said it, but I’m really glad my tech is always a few generations behind and I never bought into voice assistants or smart home technology. And I keep my phone in a faraday bag when not in use. That probably makes it somewhat harder for them to spy on me logistically.
My dad rips his name out of junk mail and shreds it. He doesn’t want his name tied to his address, which is ironic in the first place, given that he’s already getting junk mail. He’s been worried about hiding his identity, address, cars, etc from some unknown surveillance entity based around Red Scare beliefs. Still, a few steps short of foil hat types.
Then he went and got cloud-based cameras. He’s clueless about smartphone privacy already. He resembles his friends in his cohort. They protested “leftist government surveillance” and then showed me that they’d will invite mystery surveillance in with the slightest promise of convenience.
most of whats being funneled into palintir to look for any threats against the right wing regime, simple as that, or anything that threatens the old guard DNC too.
The thing with privacy is nobody thinks about it until they need it, then it’s too late.
That’s why I only buy Chinese.
Even if they surveill they have no reason to hurt meAnd you’re absolutely certain they don’t sell the data back to US brokers or even authorities directly?
Don’t forget Amazon and Google also have smart speakers with microphones…
Big Brother doesn’t just watch, he listens too.
I’m not allowed to have a smart speaker of any kind in my home office (work from home requirement), but especially Alexa. All my homies are required to hate Amazon.
Amazon owns Ring, so it makes sense
Frigate with a cheap “AI” accelerator (running visual models) FTW!
A state that should have been obvious to everyone FFS. The cameras are pointed at neighbourhoods, the audio is poly directional, which includes inside the home, and are hooked up to wifi to transmit the data. We have facial recognition, speech recognition, even gait recognition, AI object identification, license plate readers, audio filtering, all automated and analysed for review and every smart device has cameras and microphones.
Yall are fucking morons for embracing all this shit and normalizing a surveillance state that none of us have any control of and doesn’t benefit society at all. It’s been a slow moving car accident for 20 years that the masses are too fucking stupid and too arrogant to see until the wreck happens.
Yall are fucking morons
I don’t think you’re insulting the right audience here.
Yeah, we’re the people who’ve been sounding the alarm for 20+ years. I’m tired boss
I swear the friendly future I had hoped of as a kid in the 80s/90s was either all propaganda, hijacked, or we actually did end up in an alternate timeline of pure fuckery.
This is not the future I evangelized.
And yeah, those of us who grew up through it have seen the horrific turn of things have taken from potential world changing awesome humanity, to absolute evil.
100%
the thing 1984 got wrong is that people are willingly buying their own (multiple) telescreens and happily submitting their entire life to the party
This is why Fahrenheit 451 (and not 1984) is my go-to analogy for today’s plight: Bradbury correctly predicted that people would willingly walk themselves into an oppressive technocracy for the sake of entertainment and convenience.
We didn’t see how we got to 1984. We just see one person living with consequences of what society has become. We’re building our own 1984 right now!
1984 and brave new world ass world
relevant webcomic contrasting 1984 and brave new world, which is insightful, but doesn’t include the reality that we’re literally living in both novels’ universes
Give me brave new world all day - it would be vastly preferable to whatever this shit is.
I loved that ad, it instantly brought the point I’ve been making for years home to the whole Super Bowl party.
Unfortunately most people just don’t fucking care, or even consider it an issue.
Someone in my local HA community proudly shared how they had been able to use AWS face recognition with their own cams so they didn’t need to run face recognition locally…fucking absurd to experience someone tech-savvy willingly hand over these things and recommending others to do it too.
They are starting to care, Amazon got a huge wakeup call when they dropped the creepy Milo ad and people destroyed their products. But now they know the line and will slowly creep past it instead of plowing past. We just need to keep pressure on the wound to stop the bleeding, we have made some great victories against AI in the last few months.
Yeah it’s weird they decided to advertise it. They’ve realized that was their mistake.
Like it was a joke subplot in succession, where they had to change their tagline away from “we hear you” because they were actually listening.
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Well not if they cancel their storage subscriptions or if the bad press makes other people not buy/cancel their subscriptions.
The camera was never the money maker, it was getting your data and charging you monthly to store your videos
Just wanted to point out one oddly written passage:
Numerous media outlets sounded the alarm. The online privacy group Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) condemned Ring’s program …
Many private citizens who previously used Ring also reacted negatively. “Viral videos online show people removing or destroying their cameras over privacy concerns,” reported USA Today
I was hoping to see that this story had gone national and wasn’t just a buzz in privacy centric circles, so my ears pricked up when they said “numerous media outlets.” But then the example they gave was a quote from was EFF, which I would not exactly call a “media outlet.”
Below they go on to say that “private citizens” also cried out, and then they use a quote from a USA Today article. USA Today - now that’s a media outlet. 🤷♂️
Next they say that even scum sucker fish are against all this, using a quote from JD Vance to back it up, and that part was all right.
My progressive-but-detached friends have suddenly noticed how creepy the services are. Not sure if it’s enough to get them to cancel whatever they have, but the combo of “Ring wants constant access” and “Google handed over inaccessible data” has at least gotten them to question their privacy.
Can’t speak for conservatives because I don’t have any of those left in my circle.
I don’t use anything cloud based and much of my shit isn’t even allowed out to the internet.
It’s a drop in the ocean, for too many say “But it’s sooooo convenient and I’ve got nothing to hide” and open up all they got. Share camera’s with amazon, email address book with facebook etc. not realizing nor caring I make an appearance in their instances too and I DO mind.
I was looking for a new TV last month, the salesman said it was “sacrilege” when I told him I had no intention of connecting the TV to the internet or using its online functions since I will have a media PC connected to it. I was just interested in the quality of the screen.
I had to revert the firmware on a TV because it effectively bricked itself when the software was no longer supported. I don’t connect these things to the Internet. They will simply display what I tell them to.
What a twat
I was looking for a phone that didn’t have a camera. I told him I already have a camera that is NOT a phone.
He was aghast.
They definitely make them, but it’s mostly for the government. I don’t know if you can get and use one outside of their contract.
Did you find one?
Well, sort of. I’m now using Google Voice as a land-line.
For portability I have a personal Hot-Spot and an old iPad that is NOT chipped for phones. I can use the iPad’s browser, with my Hot-Spot, to get to my Google Voice account.
I can get voice and pictures and text but for the most part it’s at HOME.
For portability I think I would use an older android phone loaded with your OS choice.
The iPad and phone both have cameras anyway just the phone is lighter. Keep it no sim and in airplane mode
Good advice, Thanks.
I did buy a used phone at the thrift store and put that in the car so I had a clock.
Added plus of the cell phone is it can also still call 911 even without a sim as long as you take it off airplane.
Or at least it should be able to, changing the OS could impact that
“I don’t have anything to hide” is such an insidious little lie. A colloquial fib we feel compelled to utter as a mock defense, like asserting innocence will assuage suspicion.
We all have something to hide. Probably many, many things to hide. Even just in the narrow context of the law, there are hundreds of thousands of laws that apply to any one of us at any given time, and you are almost certainly breaking some of them without even knowing it.
Personal security through privacy is so very, very important. I wish more people could see that.
“I don’t have anything to hide” is such an insidious little lie
And easy to debunk. Take their phone, ask the pin. 9 out of 10 won’t. Open bank app ask pin again. You won’t get that far.
In a little town in the Netherlands life was good. The planning committee actually had smart people who made sure to plan the town according to the people’s needs. Kosher butchers, for instance, were placed near Jewish community centers. They could do that because the town had kept records on who lived where, including the people’s religion. It really was a utopia.
Then the nazis invaded, got their hands on those registries, and with utmost efficiency cleared the town of all jews.
I don’t know if this story is true. I read it (probably much better worded) a few years ago. But it honestly doesn’t matter if it’s true.
And today Germany still makes you register your religion. You’d think they would have learned…
But it honestly doesn’t matter if it’s true.
It’s plausible and that’s enough.
The point is whether or not it happens, as a parable it’s validity is sound. Point is, if even if the current government has nothing but good intentions and would never use the information to do anything you don’t agree with, and you are in perfect agreement with the current government. There is always the risk of either the government changing or someone stealing the information from the government that could weaponize it in ways you would never want.
what’s crazy to me is the people who defend this type of stuff, are the ones that are also terrified of gun registration… because you know if one day a gun ban were put in place, having a list of where all the guns are would make confiscation easy and legal. But they don’t realize that it’s just as likely for them to hunt people who spoke out against the government, or were the wrong race… or hell, just possibly see that you have a gun because you took it home on a ring cam.
100%.
Every time I hear that I always say the same thing.
It isn’t enough that you have nothing to hide.
All that’s required is that the general public think they have access to information that someone might want to hide.
Once the public thinks that data can exist or is accessible all that’s required is for them to lie or fabricate the required data.
“It would be very unfortunate if there was questionable content ‘found’ on your phone”
When I was a kid in the 90s, there used to small fringe groups talking about global warming and everyone else rolled their eyes. Now when it’s too late, people have started caring.
Privacy, security and anonymity are at that place now. Anyone talking about how fucked up it is that even your TV and fridge is mining all the data it can, is considered to be a fringe alarmist. People are going to wait till the world is on fire before taking this seriously. There was an uproar when WhatsApp changed its terms of service a couple of years ago and that died down and nothing changed. The uproar from this (and Discord) will also die down and nothing will change. Maybe one day people will see this as relevant to their lives and take it seriously.
people that tell me “they have nothing to hide” understand where I am coming from in terms of privacy when I ask them to write down their social security number on a piece of paper with their debit/credit card information
Assume either Trump will go after anybody saying anything critical about him and the party, or imagine AOC takes over the government and going after anybody saying something positive about Trump. Without privacy, you’re f-ed either way.
imagine AOC takes over the government and going after anybody saying something positive about Trump.
Yeah that’s not gonna happen. I get what you mean, but she’s not some despotic arch-trump.
Only in Fox news reality, I know
Recent tv’s became thin client’s. Turn it on and it first need to download the app('s)
It may seem like a drop in the ocean now, but if things ever got to the point where we’re being divided up into groups, you might be oddly left out of every group. It’s not hard to de-Google, de-Meta, inconvenient at times, but maybe it pays dividends down the road.
The trouble with living in a panopticon is that becomes suspicious to not be on a list.
We’re already seeing that where people are suspicious when you don’t have Facebook or whatever.
We need legislation with teeth before they manage to get this in every house. It’s going to happen. Your phone, TV, doorbell, car, crosswalks and street signs are all going to be recording and tracking you eventually. Just recognize that’s going to happen no matter what, and get real oversight and rules into place now. If we wait until it’s all locked, the ruling party will never let it end.
We need legislation with teeth
He said, while living under a dictatorship.
Never said it was an easy lift. There’s a long road between where we are and a functioning society. And currently most of Europe is in the lead.
I was gonna make a joke how confusing it must be to see a guy appear between houses and seemingly never go home.
But then I realized I have a smart phone that listens to everything I say and tracks where I am.
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